Reply #25: yeah, I take your point

[OnTheOtherHand]

For the paperless DREs, we're really up a tree for now. Some attacks or actual glitches can be detected and corrected, but let's not kid ourselves.

On the other hand, there's decent reason to think that they, or most of them, weren't hacked in 2004. Of course, past performance is no guarantee of future results, but it's some basis for hope.

Also, it's worth noting that we have lots of statistical tools we can use to (possibly) detect fraud. Even the exit polls can be somewhat useful in that respect, even though they can't be assumed to be accurate. Now, detecting fraud may not be enough to overturn an election result, but it's better than not.

In the long run, I don't think such bad machines will stay around.

It's been good 'talking' with you.