Reply #16: Beside the point ...

[Trajan]

They are different questions ...

Of COURSE there was vulnerabilities BEFORE DRE's, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the possibilities that exist WITH DRE based voting, nor should we ignore any possible fraud outside of computerized voting .... BOTH need to be stymied: Your argument that fraud existed BEFORE HAVA is no excuse to ignore it now ... A completely fallacious assertion ....

Open Source at LEAST provides a window to what functions exist within the program itself: They are OUR machines, and it is OUR software .... we have a right as citizens to know what mechanisms are involved. nay: an OBLIGATION to know how our votes are counted ..... anything less is civic negligence ...

Whether or not there 'may' be tampering even with Open Source, we need to do our BEST to stop it, including the use of chain of custody regimes, CRC/Checksums, SW impound and machine certfication and tamper proofing .... That is the LEAST we should do ...

Any arguments that demand less simply aren't worth listening to ...

You have offered NOTHING to replace our vigilance ... nothing whatsoever ....