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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:56 AM
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4. Yes. You missed something.
The Help America Vote Act mandated that all precincts have disabled accessible voting machines - then then republican owned voting machine manufacturers offered DREs as the optimal solution. And nothing else.

Voters cas request a copy - of the precinct totals, not of individual votes.

Open Source makes it easy to verify that there aren't any vote-flipping subroutines built into the tabulators.

This sounds like a very good solution to me. The primary element is the vote verification by an unbiased board of vote counters - the individuals on the board can be as biased as they like, but the triple checking by boardmembers of different parties guarantees that no one will be able to mess with the vote count.
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  -HAVA Look: A Simple, Verifiable, Open Source, Paper Ballot Vote-Recording & Counting System -- TIA tiptoe  Jul-17-08 08:02 AM   #0 
  - Did I miss something? Or is this a joke?  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:37 AM   #1 
  - Where in the original post ...  Trajan   Jul-17-08 08:52 AM   #3 
  - In the opening paragraph.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 09:09 AM   #5 
     - Wrong .... You are misdirecting ...  Trajan   Jul-17-08 09:26 AM   #7 
        - So elections weren't vulnerable before HAVA?  Wilms   Jul-17-08 09:59 AM   #9 
        - Beside the point ...  Trajan   Jul-17-08 08:24 PM   #16 
           - So there were no DRE's before HAVA?  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:39 PM   #17 
           - maybe if we reviewed the OP...  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-08 08:40 PM   #18 
              - Wilms made a statement redefining the OP's intent ....  Trajan   Jul-17-08 08:45 PM   #20 
                 - What strawman?  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:49 PM   #22 
        - kick nt  tiptoe   Jan-29-09 08:35 AM   #37 
  - Yes. You missed something.  NCevilDUer   Jul-17-08 08:56 AM   #4 
     - No. You missed something.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 09:13 AM   #6 
     - There's no problem there.  NCevilDUer   Jul-17-08 09:53 AM   #8 
        - And that vote can then be bought or sold or coerced.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 10:01 AM   #10 
           - How?  NCevilDUer   Jul-17-08 10:25 AM   #11 
              - I know all about the voter fraud argument.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:44 PM   #19 
     - HAVA mandated one accessible voting system per precinct  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-29-09 10:35 AM   #38 
     - PS - HAVA didn't mandate voting computers - but mandated accessibility  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-29-09 10:36 AM   #39 
  - The actual cost of an open-source spreadsheet: $0  electropop   Jul-17-08 08:38 AM   #2 
  - Sounds like a good idea to me. Almost anything is better than what we've got.  Stevepol   Jul-17-08 01:49 PM   #12 
  - K&R.nt  kster   Jul-17-08 02:50 PM   #13 
  - How can Open Source possibly be a viable alternative????  diva77   Jul-17-08 03:21 PM   #14 
  - It's a transparent PAPER BALLOT subsys...w no vote-recording,-storage,-counting by black boxes.  tiptoe   Jul-17-08 04:39 PM   #15 
     - You recommended giving the voter a copy of the ballot.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:46 PM   #21 
        - I read what diva said. *You* re-read what Diva said and then try to think  tiptoe   Jul-17-08 11:43 PM   #23 
        - The idea seems well intentioned enough.  Wilms   Jul-18-08 12:21 AM   #25 
           - How am I advocating "non-secret voting"? nt  tiptoe   Jul-18-08 01:43 AM   #26 
              - "Voters can request a copy before leaving the precinct. "  Wilms   Jul-18-08 06:25 AM   #28 
                 - given the thugginess of one of the political parties  tiptoe   Jul-18-08 07:38 PM   #29 
                    - Of course you left out coercion...the main reason secret voting is valued.  Wilms   Jul-18-08 09:52 PM   #30 
        - a copy/representation of his forfeited "official ballot". Shouldn't the voter be so entitled?  tiptoe   Jul-17-08 11:50 PM   #24 
           - When the solution to the problem cost about a buck, for a  kster   Jul-18-08 02:06 AM   #27 
           - I want secret voting, but I do not want our secret vote to be counted in secret  kster   Jul-19-08 12:52 AM   #31 
  - talk about overengineering  foo_bar   Jul-19-08 12:05 PM   #32 
     - Please "corrupt the vote total" on this spreadsheet:  tiptoe   Jul-19-08 08:25 PM   #33 
        - no thanks  foo_bar   Jul-20-08 04:29 AM   #34 
           - "That says it all. Why not take up the challenge? ..." (A Reply from TIA)  tiptoe   Aug-06-08 12:00 AM   #35 
              - that's "no thanks, I don't open .xls files from shady pseudonyms with a geocities page"  foo_bar   Aug-06-08 07:32 AM   #36 

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