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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:52 AM
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3. Where in the original post ...
Does the poster state "HAVA is the reason there are computers in elections." ???

You added that caveat yourself .... We would call that a strawman fallacy ....

It is obvious some just dont get the whole 'counting in secret' thingy .....

Whatever : Attacking this OP makes no sense .... Even if you disagreed with some of what they said ....

Typical UGLY ASS DU bullshit ....
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  -HAVA Look: A Simple, Verifiable, Open Source, Paper Ballot Vote-Recording & Counting System -- TIA tiptoe  Jul-17-08 08:02 AM   #0 
  - Did I miss something? Or is this a joke?  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:37 AM   #1 
  - Where in the original post ...  Trajan   Jul-17-08 08:52 AM   #3 
  - In the opening paragraph.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 09:09 AM   #5 
     - Wrong .... You are misdirecting ...  Trajan   Jul-17-08 09:26 AM   #7 
        - So elections weren't vulnerable before HAVA?  Wilms   Jul-17-08 09:59 AM   #9 
        - Beside the point ...  Trajan   Jul-17-08 08:24 PM   #16 
           - So there were no DRE's before HAVA?  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:39 PM   #17 
           - maybe if we reviewed the OP...  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-08 08:40 PM   #18 
              - Wilms made a statement redefining the OP's intent ....  Trajan   Jul-17-08 08:45 PM   #20 
                 - What strawman?  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:49 PM   #22 
        - kick nt  tiptoe   Jan-29-09 08:35 AM   #37 
  - Yes. You missed something.  NCevilDUer   Jul-17-08 08:56 AM   #4 
     - No. You missed something.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 09:13 AM   #6 
     - There's no problem there.  NCevilDUer   Jul-17-08 09:53 AM   #8 
        - And that vote can then be bought or sold or coerced.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 10:01 AM   #10 
           - How?  NCevilDUer   Jul-17-08 10:25 AM   #11 
              - I know all about the voter fraud argument.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:44 PM   #19 
     - HAVA mandated one accessible voting system per precinct  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-29-09 10:35 AM   #38 
     - PS - HAVA didn't mandate voting computers - but mandated accessibility  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-29-09 10:36 AM   #39 
  - The actual cost of an open-source spreadsheet: $0  electropop   Jul-17-08 08:38 AM   #2 
  - Sounds like a good idea to me. Almost anything is better than what we've got.  Stevepol   Jul-17-08 01:49 PM   #12 
  - K&R.nt  kster   Jul-17-08 02:50 PM   #13 
  - How can Open Source possibly be a viable alternative????  diva77   Jul-17-08 03:21 PM   #14 
  - It's a transparent PAPER BALLOT subsys...w no vote-recording,-storage,-counting by black boxes.  tiptoe   Jul-17-08 04:39 PM   #15 
     - You recommended giving the voter a copy of the ballot.  Wilms   Jul-17-08 08:46 PM   #21 
        - I read what diva said. *You* re-read what Diva said and then try to think  tiptoe   Jul-17-08 11:43 PM   #23 
        - The idea seems well intentioned enough.  Wilms   Jul-18-08 12:21 AM   #25 
           - How am I advocating "non-secret voting"? nt  tiptoe   Jul-18-08 01:43 AM   #26 
              - "Voters can request a copy before leaving the precinct. "  Wilms   Jul-18-08 06:25 AM   #28 
                 - given the thugginess of one of the political parties  tiptoe   Jul-18-08 07:38 PM   #29 
                    - Of course you left out coercion...the main reason secret voting is valued.  Wilms   Jul-18-08 09:52 PM   #30 
        - a copy/representation of his forfeited "official ballot". Shouldn't the voter be so entitled?  tiptoe   Jul-17-08 11:50 PM   #24 
           - When the solution to the problem cost about a buck, for a  kster   Jul-18-08 02:06 AM   #27 
           - I want secret voting, but I do not want our secret vote to be counted in secret  kster   Jul-19-08 12:52 AM   #31 
  - talk about overengineering  foo_bar   Jul-19-08 12:05 PM   #32 
     - Please "corrupt the vote total" on this spreadsheet:  tiptoe   Jul-19-08 08:25 PM   #33 
        - no thanks  foo_bar   Jul-20-08 04:29 AM   #34 
           - "That says it all. Why not take up the challenge? ..." (A Reply from TIA)  tiptoe   Aug-06-08 12:00 AM   #35 
              - that's "no thanks, I don't open .xls files from shady pseudonyms with a geocities page"  foo_bar   Aug-06-08 07:32 AM   #36 

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