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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:19 AM
Response to Reply #45
46. the article in the OP doesn't accurately quote Bo's statement
I transcribed it in post 1 -- you can check the audio file if you like.

I think it is very clear that "so far" is exactly what he meant. Or, verbatim, "at the moment."

Around the 2-minute mark, he begins to explain that the DoJ filed a lawsuit in "U.S. District Court, Northern District, Judge Gary Sharpe presiding." Around 2:40, he says that in December, "Judge Gary Sharpe ruled that New York must replace its lever machines...." Around 3:00, he says that this is important because people ask whether NY can keep the lever machines. Then he said, as I quoted above, that anyone who thinks NY can keep its levers is "gonna have to tell it to the judge. Because at the moment the highest court in the land which has ruled on HAVA and lever machines has said that HAVA requires lever machines be replaced." The "highest court in the land which has ruled" comes around 3:20. He repeats the phrase around 3:34, this time using "that" instead of "which."

So, when Bo refers to the "highest court in the land which has ruled," he has actually named the district court once and the presiding judge twice in the preceding 90 seconds or less. If he intended listeners to think that he was referring to the Supreme Court of the United States, he sure picked a strange way to go about it.
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  -Bo Lipari's Deceit on Voice of the Voters Wilms  Jul-03-08 03:56 AM   #0 
  - but that isn't what he said  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-04-08 02:45 PM   #1 
  - It seems Rady and Andi heard what Bo wanted everyone to hear.  Wilms   Jul-04-08 03:55 PM   #2 
     - Correction: It was ES&S AutoMark failing to provide for NYC ballot styling.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 12:43 AM   #4 
     - that interpretation doesn't make a lot of sense to me  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-05-08 04:01 PM   #10 
        - If you want to listen to the show the link you posted above changed.  Wilms   Jul-07-08 02:33 AM   #13 
  - NYVV has a problem with levers. No one knows why exactly.  Bill Bored   Jul-04-08 10:39 PM   #3 
  - I think the suggestion you made last week made as much sense.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 12:49 AM   #5 
     - Yeah well, they are kind of heavy. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-05-08 01:06 AM   #6 
        - I think a good explanation is that Bo & Co are heavily invested in their mantra.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 09:56 AM   #7 
  - Bo'd Response To Defamatory Article  bolipari   Jul-05-08 10:55 AM   #8 
  - Some Context is Required Here  bernesebernese   Jul-05-08 01:20 PM   #9 
  - Thanks for your comments.  Wilms   Jul-07-08 02:25 AM   #12 
  - Welcome to DU! Has someone here been advocating for DREs? (I must have missed that.)  Bill Bored   Jul-07-08 11:07 PM   #22 
  - Welcome to DU, Bo.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 06:56 PM   #11 
     - the court issued a remedial order  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-07-08 07:09 AM   #14 
        - I recognize a lot of what you posted.  Wilms   Jul-07-08 09:52 AM   #15 
        - I'm puzzled  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-08-08 08:51 PM   #29 
           - This one?  Wilms   Jul-08-08 10:04 PM   #30 
              - a few points  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-09-08 09:33 AM   #32 
                 - "requires full compliance "and" the replacement of all lever machines"  Wilms   Jul-09-08 10:20 AM   #33 
                    - read the other points  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   #34 
                       - I think we now agree in large measure  Wilms   Jul-09-08 11:23 AM   #36 
        - A Remedial Order does not a ruling make.  Bill Bored   Jul-07-08 08:50 PM   #19 
           - that seems pretty thin to me  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-08-08 08:47 PM   #28 
              - If the state never argued against DoJ, there was not a ruling.  Bill Bored   Jul-08-08 10:56 PM   #31 
                 - well, good luck with that n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-09-08 11:13 AM   #35 
  - The article linked to the bottom of your article has been removed.  clear eye   Jul-07-08 12:35 PM   #16 
  - Yes, NY drank the Kool-aid and has a problem with the money  clear eye   Jul-07-08 12:57 PM   #17 
  - HAVA did not even ban punch cards! NY did!  Bill Bored   Jul-07-08 09:04 PM   #20 
  - Replacement Article: Let's Clear the Air  Rady-Columbus   Jul-07-08 08:45 PM   #18 
  - Let's eat our own. Yum.  UnitedVoters   Jul-07-08 10:14 PM   #21 
     - How do you recommend addressing problems while avoiding being accused of making "personal attacks"?  Wilms   Jul-08-08 01:52 AM   #23 
     - There you go, starting on me. I've "spun" nothing. You answer your own question...  UnitedVoters   Jul-08-08 09:04 AM   #24 
        - You avoided my question. But I'll repost it with your suggested edit and a few of my own.  Wilms   Jul-08-08 09:14 AM   #25 
           - It's a personal attack when so-called 'debate' impugns someone's honesty or motives.  UnitedVoters   Jul-08-08 11:50 AM   #26 
              - Can you do me a favor?  Wilms   Jul-08-08 08:40 PM   #27 
                 - How about saying something like "could you check your facts" or ...  UnitedVoters   Jul-25-08 07:42 AM   #79 
                    - I'm not here to defend descriptions in the article cited in the OP.  Wilms   Jul-25-08 09:06 AM   #80 
     - NYVV and Vote Trust Leaders  warrenberry   Jul-12-08 12:03 AM   #39 
     - That's principled and I applaud.  Wilms   Jul-12-08 01:59 AM   #41 
     - I also found it hard to believe  warrenberry   Jul-12-08 11:00 PM   #42 
        - Well no. It is statements you've made I obviously referred to as surprising.  Wilms   Jul-14-08 02:31 AM   #43 
           - Your responses take my points out of the context in the article  warrenberry   Jul-16-08 10:23 PM   #44 
              - Paper Ballots are NOT the "official record."  Bill Bored   Jul-19-08 09:19 PM   #49 
                 - Hacking the Vote films people voting  warrenberry   Jul-22-08 03:54 PM   #72 
                 - Definition of official ballot in NY  warrenberry   Jul-24-08 12:47 PM   #75 
     - Whatever -- I stil consider you part of what killed VoteTrustUSA. Your leaving did not help.  UnitedVoters   Jul-25-08 07:35 AM   #77 
        - Re: "Pick up your ball and leave."  Wilms   Jul-25-08 09:28 AM   #81 
        - Shared regret over Vote Trust  warrenberry   Jul-25-08 09:06 PM   #83 
     - Shutting down discussion is not a way forward.  sfexpat2000   Jul-12-08 12:34 AM   #40 
        - Personally attacking someone who is trying do the right thing is not a way forward either.  UnitedVoters   Jul-25-08 07:38 AM   #78 
           - "trying to do the right thing"???  Wilms   Jul-25-08 09:32 AM   #82 
  - Eyes Wide Open: A New Yorker for Verified Voting Responds  warrenberry   Jul-11-08 12:10 PM   #37 
  - thanks for this interesting essay  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-11-08 01:01 PM   #38 
  - Just a small comment  rumpel   Jul-17-08 03:30 AM   #45 
  - the article in the OP doesn't accurately quote Bo's statement  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-08 06:19 AM   #46 
     - I understand  rumpel   Jul-17-08 04:38 PM   #47 
        - fair enough  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-08 05:28 PM   #48 
        - I love it when non-lawyers try to speak Legalese.  Bill Bored   Jul-19-08 09:27 PM   #50 
           - I see a lot of dancing around the obvious  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 07:46 AM   #52 
              - "ignored it entirely"?? Gee!  Wilms   Jul-20-08 10:53 AM   #53 
                 - I'm discussing the article in the OP  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 11:33 AM   #54 
                    - A reference I made up thread speaks to the partial-ness. And to Bo & Berry's own ommisions.  Wilms   Jul-20-08 11:51 AM   #55 
                    - huh?  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 03:50 PM   #58 
                    - Pretty much what I quoted.  Wilms   Jul-20-08 04:54 PM   #59 
                       - the judge needn't be referring to anything else  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 05:08 PM   #60 
                          - Are we looking at different docs? I  Wilms   Jul-20-08 06:47 PM   #61 
                             - I'm going by 4, which I quoted  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 09:17 PM   #62 
                                - You mean #3 the DEFENDANTS PLAN???  Wilms   Jul-21-08 12:28 AM   #64 
                                   - you still have no answer to finding #4  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-21-08 06:36 AM   #65 
                                      - Who used the word deceit?  Wilms   Jul-21-08 10:00 AM   #67 
                                         - actually, I was happy to agree to agree  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-21-08 03:35 PM   #69 
                    - Partialness? Omissions?  warrenberry   Jul-22-08 04:10 PM   #73 
                       - Only to the degree they are or may have been at issue relative to NYS non-compliance.  Wilms   Jul-22-08 09:40 PM   #74 
                    - Not only didn't the judge "think it through", he was never asked to think it through. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-20-08 12:32 PM   #56 
                       - you mean, Novick never filed the amicus brief?  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 03:48 PM   #57 
                          - No and Yes.  Bill Bored   Jul-20-08 10:16 PM   #63 
                             - not exactly  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-21-08 06:45 AM   #66 
                                - So?  Wilms   Jul-21-08 10:07 AM   #68 
                                - No need to pretend. As I said, the amici were NOT parties to the case.  Bill Bored   Jul-21-08 07:32 PM   #70 
                                   - and exit poll true believers, too  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-21-08 09:13 PM   #71 
        - See post #50. You can't appeal if there hasn't been a ruling! nt  Bill Bored   Jul-19-08 10:07 PM   #51 
  - Let's read the timeline and get rid of this defamatory article  warrenberry   Jul-24-08 01:28 PM   #76 
  - All four or five of you deserve  kster   Jul-26-08 02:52 AM   #84 
  - Sorry, I don't trust ANY software driven ANYTHING.  RoccoR5955   Aug-01-08 05:22 PM   #85 
     - You seem to be saying that ALL voting computers run Miscrosoft OSs...  Bill Bored   Aug-02-08 12:23 PM   #86 

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