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Bo Lipari's Deceit on Voice of the Voters
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Bo Lipari's Deceit on Voice of the Voters

by Rady Ananda

July 2, 2008

Last night, Bo Lipari hosted Voice of the Voters covering the story I broke about New York's failed certification process of "modern" voting systems. He used his platform to deceive listeners, deliberately providing disinformation that would otherwise bolster his untenable support of software driven voting systems. His misrepresentations also serve to undermine potential litigation being pursued in New York.

New York has been court-ordered to employ software-driven disabled-accessible voting devices in the September 2008 election. The New York State Board of Elections (SBOE) has accepted systems that fail to perform in local tests.

Lipari made two serious misstatements, misrepresentations, or outright lies, one at the top of the hour when he introduced the program. Attorney Andi Novick immediately called the station requesting his first misstatement be corrected. Although Lipari had a full minute at the end of the show, after John Gideon's Daily Voting News report, instead of correcting himself, he unexpectedly threw the final minute back at John, who stumbled briefly to fill the remaining time.

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When Andi Novick wrote Mary Ann Gould who heads Voice of the Voters, she stated:

Bo's insisting that the highest court in the land ruled that levers are not HAVA compliant ... is a common misrepresentation that's been made to county election commissioners who don't want to switch to computerized voting systems to keep them quiet. They've been told the federal court ruled that levers aren't compliant.

Bo referred to the court's ruling that "we're stuck with" several times during the hour... Bo made it sound like not only did the court rule but an appeal wasn't even possible. He misrepresented that the so called ruling came from the highest court in the land, from which therefore there is no appeal. All of that is shameful.

The litigation I'm planning on bringing asks the court to declare that voting on concealed software is unconstitutional- which would be great to have such a ruling in this country. And it asks the court to declare that, now that NY is installing BMDs, levers are HAVA compliant.

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This is exactly the sort of deception tactics we are fighting in NY; this is exactly the sort of deception that computerized voting vendors employ, as detailed in these three well researched collections of deceptive practices:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Bo-Lipari-s-Deceit-on-...

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  -Bo Lipari's Deceit on Voice of the Voters Wilms  Jul-03-08 03:56 AM   #0 
  - but that isn't what he said  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-04-08 02:45 PM   #1 
  - It seems Rady and Andi heard what Bo wanted everyone to hear.  Wilms   Jul-04-08 03:55 PM   #2 
     - Correction: It was ES&S AutoMark failing to provide for NYC ballot styling.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 12:43 AM   #4 
     - that interpretation doesn't make a lot of sense to me  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-05-08 04:01 PM   #10 
        - If you want to listen to the show the link you posted above changed.  Wilms   Jul-07-08 02:33 AM   #13 
  - NYVV has a problem with levers. No one knows why exactly.  Bill Bored   Jul-04-08 10:39 PM   #3 
  - I think the suggestion you made last week made as much sense.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 12:49 AM   #5 
     - Yeah well, they are kind of heavy. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-05-08 01:06 AM   #6 
        - I think a good explanation is that Bo & Co are heavily invested in their mantra.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 09:56 AM   #7 
  - Bo'd Response To Defamatory Article  bolipari   Jul-05-08 10:55 AM   #8 
  - Some Context is Required Here  bernesebernese   Jul-05-08 01:20 PM   #9 
  - Thanks for your comments.  Wilms   Jul-07-08 02:25 AM   #12 
  - Welcome to DU! Has someone here been advocating for DREs? (I must have missed that.)  Bill Bored   Jul-07-08 11:07 PM   #22 
  - Welcome to DU, Bo.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 06:56 PM   #11 
     - the court issued a remedial order  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-07-08 07:09 AM   #14 
        - I recognize a lot of what you posted.  Wilms   Jul-07-08 09:52 AM   #15 
        - I'm puzzled  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-08-08 08:51 PM   #29 
           - This one?  Wilms   Jul-08-08 10:04 PM   #30 
              - a few points  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-09-08 09:33 AM   #32 
                 - "requires full compliance "and" the replacement of all lever machines"  Wilms   Jul-09-08 10:20 AM   #33 
                    - read the other points  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   #34 
                       - I think we now agree in large measure  Wilms   Jul-09-08 11:23 AM   #36 
        - A Remedial Order does not a ruling make.  Bill Bored   Jul-07-08 08:50 PM   #19 
           - that seems pretty thin to me  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-08-08 08:47 PM   #28 
              - If the state never argued against DoJ, there was not a ruling.  Bill Bored   Jul-08-08 10:56 PM   #31 
                 - well, good luck with that n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-09-08 11:13 AM   #35 
  - The article linked to the bottom of your article has been removed.  clear eye   Jul-07-08 12:35 PM   #16 
  - Yes, NY drank the Kool-aid and has a problem with the money  clear eye   Jul-07-08 12:57 PM   #17 
  - HAVA did not even ban punch cards! NY did!  Bill Bored   Jul-07-08 09:04 PM   #20 
  - Replacement Article: Let's Clear the Air  Rady-Columbus   Jul-07-08 08:45 PM   #18 
  - Let's eat our own. Yum.  UnitedVoters   Jul-07-08 10:14 PM   #21 
     - How do you recommend addressing problems while avoiding being accused of making "personal attacks"?  Wilms   Jul-08-08 01:52 AM   #23 
     - There you go, starting on me. I've "spun" nothing. You answer your own question...  UnitedVoters   Jul-08-08 09:04 AM   #24 
        - You avoided my question. But I'll repost it with your suggested edit and a few of my own.  Wilms   Jul-08-08 09:14 AM   #25 
           - It's a personal attack when so-called 'debate' impugns someone's honesty or motives.  UnitedVoters   Jul-08-08 11:50 AM   #26 
              - Can you do me a favor?  Wilms   Jul-08-08 08:40 PM   #27 
                 - How about saying something like "could you check your facts" or ...  UnitedVoters   Jul-25-08 07:42 AM   #79 
                    - I'm not here to defend descriptions in the article cited in the OP.  Wilms   Jul-25-08 09:06 AM   #80 
     - NYVV and Vote Trust Leaders  warrenberry   Jul-12-08 12:03 AM   #39 
     - That's principled and I applaud.  Wilms   Jul-12-08 01:59 AM   #41 
     - I also found it hard to believe  warrenberry   Jul-12-08 11:00 PM   #42 
        - Well no. It is statements you've made I obviously referred to as surprising.  Wilms   Jul-14-08 02:31 AM   #43 
           - Your responses take my points out of the context in the article  warrenberry   Jul-16-08 10:23 PM   #44 
              - Paper Ballots are NOT the "official record."  Bill Bored   Jul-19-08 09:19 PM   #49 
                 - Hacking the Vote films people voting  warrenberry   Jul-22-08 03:54 PM   #72 
                 - Definition of official ballot in NY  warrenberry   Jul-24-08 12:47 PM   #75 
     - Whatever -- I stil consider you part of what killed VoteTrustUSA. Your leaving did not help.  UnitedVoters   Jul-25-08 07:35 AM   #77 
        - Re: "Pick up your ball and leave."  Wilms   Jul-25-08 09:28 AM   #81 
        - Shared regret over Vote Trust  warrenberry   Jul-25-08 09:06 PM   #83 
     - Shutting down discussion is not a way forward.  sfexpat2000   Jul-12-08 12:34 AM   #40 
        - Personally attacking someone who is trying do the right thing is not a way forward either.  UnitedVoters   Jul-25-08 07:38 AM   #78 
           - "trying to do the right thing"???  Wilms   Jul-25-08 09:32 AM   #82 
  - Eyes Wide Open: A New Yorker for Verified Voting Responds  warrenberry   Jul-11-08 12:10 PM   #37 
  - thanks for this interesting essay  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-11-08 01:01 PM   #38 
  - Just a small comment  rumpel   Jul-17-08 03:30 AM   #45 
  - the article in the OP doesn't accurately quote Bo's statement  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-08 06:19 AM   #46 
     - I understand  rumpel   Jul-17-08 04:38 PM   #47 
        - fair enough  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-08 05:28 PM   #48 
        - I love it when non-lawyers try to speak Legalese.  Bill Bored   Jul-19-08 09:27 PM   #50 
           - I see a lot of dancing around the obvious  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 07:46 AM   #52 
              - "ignored it entirely"?? Gee!  Wilms   Jul-20-08 10:53 AM   #53 
                 - I'm discussing the article in the OP  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 11:33 AM   #54 
                    - A reference I made up thread speaks to the partial-ness. And to Bo & Berry's own ommisions.  Wilms   Jul-20-08 11:51 AM   #55 
                    - huh?  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 03:50 PM   #58 
                    - Pretty much what I quoted.  Wilms   Jul-20-08 04:54 PM   #59 
                       - the judge needn't be referring to anything else  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 05:08 PM   #60 
                          - Are we looking at different docs? I  Wilms   Jul-20-08 06:47 PM   #61 
                             - I'm going by 4, which I quoted  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 09:17 PM   #62 
                                - You mean #3 the DEFENDANTS PLAN???  Wilms   Jul-21-08 12:28 AM   #64 
                                   - you still have no answer to finding #4  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-21-08 06:36 AM   #65 
                                      - Who used the word deceit?  Wilms   Jul-21-08 10:00 AM   #67 
                                         - actually, I was happy to agree to agree  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-21-08 03:35 PM   #69 
                    - Partialness? Omissions?  warrenberry   Jul-22-08 04:10 PM   #73 
                       - Only to the degree they are or may have been at issue relative to NYS non-compliance.  Wilms   Jul-22-08 09:40 PM   #74 
                    - Not only didn't the judge "think it through", he was never asked to think it through. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-20-08 12:32 PM   #56 
                       - you mean, Novick never filed the amicus brief?  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-20-08 03:48 PM   #57 
                          - No and Yes.  Bill Bored   Jul-20-08 10:16 PM   #63 
                             - not exactly  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-21-08 06:45 AM   #66 
                                - So?  Wilms   Jul-21-08 10:07 AM   #68 
                                - No need to pretend. As I said, the amici were NOT parties to the case.  Bill Bored   Jul-21-08 07:32 PM   #70 
                                   - and exit poll true believers, too  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-21-08 09:13 PM   #71 
        - See post #50. You can't appeal if there hasn't been a ruling! nt  Bill Bored   Jul-19-08 10:07 PM   #51 
  - Let's read the timeline and get rid of this defamatory article  warrenberry   Jul-24-08 01:28 PM   #76 
  - All four or five of you deserve  kster   Jul-26-08 02:52 AM   #84 
  - Sorry, I don't trust ANY software driven ANYTHING.  RoccoR5955   Aug-01-08 05:22 PM   #85 
     - You seem to be saying that ALL voting computers run Miscrosoft OSs...  Bill Bored   Aug-02-08 12:23 PM   #86 
 

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