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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:03 PM
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8. The ballot shown was 2006 General Election
I did not say that hand counting is "impractical" "where hand counts are done", obviously. I asked how many pollworkers/counters would be needed in a large county with a long and complicated ballot.

Primary ballots typically have many fewer items than GE ballots.

Nationwide, jurisdictions were about 25% short of pollworkers in the GE of 2006. The greatest difficulty is in recruiting pollworkers in in innercity, poor, minority and immigrant communities (areas with high rates of disenfranchisement as it is).

New Hampshire cast 45,000 votes in a few hand-count jurisdictions within the state in the 2008 primary, small areas with long tradition and experience with handcounts. Some 122,000,000 (as cast in 2004 GE) ballots will need to be accurately counted, not just 43,000.

I wonder about "practical" logistics of assuring election counts without chaos. I absolutely do not oppose handcounts. I oppose chaos and failure in our counts. I just read an MIT report of New Hampshire hand counts vs. opscans. Upon study of many NH recounts, opscans were shown to be more accurate than handcounts. I suport rigorous random audits for opscans.

The fact that L.A. had a 50+ item ballot General Election remains. My question about how we assure sufficient workers for handcounts, with an existing situation of 25% pollworker shortage, remains.

Your pointless accusation of "bias" does not answer legitimate questions in the face of pollworker shortages.
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  -Italian paper electoral procedures (Hand Counted Paper Elections) kster  Feb-17-08 10:50 PM   #0 
  - Yep, and they know how to life right too. K*R  autorank   Feb-17-08 10:52 PM   #1 
  - I seem to recall the last election didn't go all that smoothly over in Italy.  MADem   Feb-17-08 10:57 PM   #2 
  - Italy: electronic vote-counting experiment during 2006 general election  kster   Feb-17-08 11:12 PM   #3 
  - One race vs. 50.  troubleinwinter   Feb-18-08 12:27 AM   #4 
  - The old complicated ballot routine  kster   Feb-18-08 12:37 AM   #5 
  - Stupidity = the same idiotic rant that LA County = New Hampshire  eridani   Jan-30-09 03:29 AM   #25 
     - Joe Biden knows how to make it possible to Hand Count the Paper Ballots  kster   Jan-31-09 03:33 AM   #26 
        - Tell us all about how you got your county to switch to HCPB n/t  eridani   Jan-31-09 05:34 AM   #27 
  - Your post seems extremely biased. That's a given election in one jurisdiction.  Wilms   Feb-18-08 09:16 AM   #7 
     - The ballot shown was 2006 General Election  troubleinwinter   Feb-18-08 12:03 PM   #8 
        - How many jusisdictions have a "long and complicated ballot"? How many don't?  Wilms   Feb-18-08 02:19 PM   #10 
           - I'm not sure that we have disagreement.  troubleinwinter   Feb-18-08 07:09 PM   #11 
           - I agree.  Wilms   Feb-18-08 09:24 PM   #12 
           - I'd suggest a different method for auditing hand counts out of general principle  eridani   Dec-27-08 07:07 AM   #23 
           - NC has around 24 contests on the GE ballot, New Hampshire only 12  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-02-09 07:27 PM   #30 
  - Oh my God, bring some of those people over here to give us some advice. K&R!  Stevepol   Feb-18-08 08:14 AM   #6 
  - Hopeful news here; REMEMBER, contempt w/o investigation is highly intellectually dishonest  Land Shark   Feb-18-08 01:18 PM   #9 
  - Thanks for this post, kster.  Wilms   Feb-19-08 10:15 PM   #13 
  - Thanks, Al Gore said the same thing  kster   Feb-20-08 02:38 AM   #14 
     - Very nice. But Al was talking about FL2000.  Wilms   Feb-20-08 09:13 AM   #15 
        - GOP candidate Albert Howard on Hand Counted Paper Ballots, February 16, 2008  kster   Feb-20-08 12:23 PM   #16 
           - Re-read what I wrote.  Wilms   Feb-20-08 06:16 PM   #17 
           - This thread was made to show that  kster   Feb-20-08 11:08 PM   #18 
              - Of course I realize that.  Wilms   Feb-20-08 11:30 PM   #19 
                 - Did you ever have an itch in the middle of your back,  kster   Feb-21-08 12:04 AM   #20 
                    - Son of a bitch I have a Wilms  kster   Feb-22-08 02:31 AM   #21 
           - kick.nt  kster   Jan-24-09 10:44 AM   #24 
  - kick.nt  kster   Dec-20-08 12:17 AM   #22 
  - They make some nice ass shoes and suits too  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-02-09 01:54 AM   #28 
     - They have more sense than us when it comes to counting ballots,  kster   Feb-02-09 03:26 AM   #29 
        - the big question KSTER is did YOU get hand counted paper ballots in your town?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-02-09 07:28 PM   #31 
           - I'm not making the connection  kster   Feb-02-09 11:17 PM   #32 
              - I just wondered if you had worked to get hand counted paper ballots  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-03-09 12:09 AM   #33 

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