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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:15 PM
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13. I would not expect anyone at the EAC to be pro-lever.
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 10:20 PM by Bill Bored
They are tasked with implementing HAVA and they have withheld problems with the testing lab that tested most of the e-voting junk used in the country (CIBER). NY knew that proper testing was not going to be done because CIBER's test plans did not conform to the requirements of state (or even federal) standards, regulations and election law. But the EAC withheld the fact that they had decertified CIBER.

I agree that the levers are better than anything electronic. I think there is good evidence for accuracy but only at the top of the ticket where you don't usually have many undervotes. If the "99" problem were severe, we would see more of them, and we don't.

What happens if you drop an op scanner?

On edit --

This part of your NYT edtorial cracked me up

"Suffolk and neighboring Nassau County, where some local legislators have caught Mr. Levys Luddite fever and filed briefs supporting his lawsuit, should not let a misguided attachment to old technology get in the way of a sound, reliable voting system for the 21st century."

That would be great, if only somebody would (re)invent one! :rofl:
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  -HOLT on LEVER MACHINES!: "These machines dont lie. What you see is what you get." Bill Bored  Feb-03-08 08:47 PM   #0 
  - thanks for the post  JoeIsOneOfUs   Feb-03-08 08:51 PM   #1 
  - lever machines can also be rigged.  lwfern   Feb-03-08 09:04 PM   #2 
  - other than the gears...  JoeIsOneOfUs   Feb-03-08 09:10 PM   #3 
  - Of course. You need a fully bi-partisan process.  Bill Bored   Feb-03-08 09:15 PM   #5 
  - thanks and see comment below n/t  JoeIsOneOfUs   Feb-03-08 09:47 PM   #11 
  - That's why both sides stand together for the tally.  aquart   Feb-03-08 09:26 PM   #8 
  - so what happens with third parties?  JoeIsOneOfUs   Feb-03-08 09:48 PM   #12 
     - Having been a volunteer poll watcher for just such machines...  jberryhill   Oct-09-08 10:15 PM   #20 
  - Yes, all of that.  lwfern   Feb-03-08 09:36 PM   #10 
     - I would not expect anyone at the EAC to be pro-lever.  Bill Bored   Feb-03-08 10:15 PM   #13 
  - I hear you, but you can swap 1 ballot definition file and SWITCH thousands of votes  Bill Bored   Feb-03-08 09:12 PM   #4 
  - I don't know why all these studies...  stillcool47   Feb-03-08 09:31 PM   #9 
  - Thanks for the link BTW. I've not yet familiarized myself with this work.  Bill Bored   Feb-03-08 09:21 PM   #6 
  - I LOVE MY LEVERS!!!!!  aquart   Feb-03-08 09:25 PM   #7 
  - There's 50 Ways To Love Your Lever  jberryhill   Oct-09-08 10:18 PM   #21 
  - Bob Holt should run for Congress! n/t  Wilms   Feb-04-08 12:37 AM   #14 
  - Bob Holt, Rush Holt and Rush Limbaugh all went to different schools together.  Bill Bored   Feb-04-08 03:45 AM   #15 
  - Damn I miss those "Baby Grands"  Froward69   Feb-04-08 09:41 AM   #16 
  - We still have them  Laurab   Feb-04-08 10:42 AM   #17 
  - No soft-target-ware needed  Wilms   Jun-29-08 06:27 PM   #18 
  - kick! nt  Bill Bored   Sep-27-08 02:29 PM   #19 
  - ACORN solution  jagerbb   Oct-10-08 11:03 AM   #22 
  - Jagerbb .... you could not be more wrong about acorn  althecat   Oct-11-08 12:53 AM   #23 
  - kick nt  Bill Bored   Oct-29-08 09:02 PM   #24 
  - kick nt  Bill Bored   Jan-05-09 12:11 AM   #25 
  - .  Bill Bored   Feb-08-09 09:34 PM   #26 
  - .  Bill Bored   Feb-20-09 08:31 PM   #27 
  - Still pushing these mechanical paperless vote counting machines  kster   Feb-20-09 10:55 PM   #28 
  - .  Bill Bored   Jun-26-09 10:25 PM   #29 

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