Reply #64: This post might provide some insight into the situation in NY:

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As I think WYVBC is pointing out, it helps to keep in mind that the e-vote counting problem is really nothing new.

But New York has a unique opportunity that should not be squandered on something as ineffective as "certification" of software-based vote-counting systems. Yet this is exactly what the state has been trying to do. They want desperately to just be able to TRUST THE MACHINES, despite all the evidence that says that's just plain wrong.

Most NY election officials want to avoid hand counts at all costs and Lipari, while advocating for paper ballots that are easy to count by hand, has never come out strongly for NOT trusting computers to determine election results. Indeed, he accepts and advocates for insufficiently audited computerized elections, rather than keeping lever voting machines. Also just plain wrong.

I don't know what he's been thinking, but it seems like he may be expecting New Yorkers to trust him, instead of their own lying eyes when it comes to vote counting. If true, this is in a word, undemocratic.

It is worth noting that at a recent closed-door meeting with state officials and other "citizens", Lipari was the only one to vote NOT to certify the scanners that the State Board of Elections went ahead and certified anyway. Had he voted "Yes" would that mean we would have nothing to worry about when it comes to vote counting? Don't think so.

And since he voted "No" on certification, why is he picking on Nassau County's and other election officials -- who are legally charged with certifying election results, which he is NOT -- who know enough to know that they can't honestly do so under current NY election law and are willing to do something about that in court?

That's a long way of saying that the election officials who are suing the state of New York are the new election integrity advocates. They are walking the walk rather than just paying lip service to election integrity and constitutional rights. They deserve better than to be mocked by Lipari or anyone else.

Also see this post about our constitutional rights and how NY's new system fails to protect them: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...