Bill Bored
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Sat Mar-29-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
| 46. So we are going to spend millions on scanners so we can HAND COUNT? Get real! |
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Once those black boxes are in place, elections will be run on software.
Half the folks in this movement don't even realize that scanners are computers, thanks to the exclusively anti-DRE propaganda some have been churning out.
If you want hand counts, you don't count with software unless and until you have laws in place to require hand counting enough votes to confirm the outcomes of elections. No one is going to be willing to do this once they start counting ballots with software. Not even Debra Bowen has been able to make this happen. Not even Nancy Tobi.
Once you go down the software road, it's very hard to turn back.
The sad thing is that those who are pushing scanners have NOT been pushing for verifying what the scanners will be telling us. They essentially trust the software, whether they admit it or not, as long as it's not DRE software.
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| -Why doesn't Bo Lipari get a job selling Optical Scan? |
Wilms |
Jan-21-08 04:10 PM |
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WTF are you talking about? New York... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jan-21-08 04:51 PM |
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"...they're great-- easy to use and error/fraud free." |
Wilms |
Jan-21-08 05:22 PM |
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To our county BoE it is very clear that... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jan-21-08 05:50 PM |
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So what scanner, if any, do you have in mind? |
Wilms |
Jan-21-08 05:57 PM |
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I don't have any in mind because... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jan-21-08 06:07 PM |
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DRE's are not off the table. |
Wilms |
Jan-21-08 07:30 PM |
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I wouldn't be surprised if a few places... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jan-21-08 08:25 PM |
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levers verses HCPB verses optical scan |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jan-27-08 01:11 AM |
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Links please. |
Wilms |
Jan-27-08 10:05 AM |
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Here's a "higher cost" story. |
Wilms |
Jan-27-08 02:21 PM |
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Smoke em while you got em, the vote count scam is over |
kster |
Mar-29-08 03:08 AM |
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Well, at least he's not pushing LHS and Diebold and calling it "the Accuvote" |
Bill Bored |
Jan-22-08 01:03 AM |
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I've found out that's an edited version not including it. |
Wilms |
Jan-26-08 08:31 PM |
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He's a tireless advocate against DREs. That's not a bad thing. |
Bill Bored |
Jan-26-08 11:13 PM |
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Why? |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jan-27-08 01:06 AM |
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As I've said before... |
Wilms |
Jan-27-08 10:07 AM |
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Opscans use electronic ballots too (they image the paper and count THAT IMAGE) |
Land Shark |
Jan-27-08 02:57 PM |
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We owe Bo Lipari, NYVV and activists across the state a big debt of gratitude |
bernesebernese |
Jan-28-08 02:34 PM |
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oh, they've been insulted too... |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jan-28-08 04:40 PM |
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Largely what OTOH said. |
Wilms |
Jan-28-08 10:32 PM |
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the OP makes a personal attack on Bo |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jan-28-08 10:38 PM |
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Obviously, I disagree. |
Wilms |
Jan-28-08 10:41 PM |
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DU - the Anti Activists and The Election Reform Forum |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jan-28-08 10:53 PM |
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What? It's OK as long as it's an activist who YOU think is headed in a wrong direction? |
Wilms |
Jan-28-08 11:17 PM |
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It's all relative. |
btmlndfrmr |
Jan-28-08 11:19 PM |
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proof? |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jan-29-08 01:31 PM |
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The jury's still out. See post #29. nt |
Bill Bored |
Jan-29-08 09:32 PM |
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You're listening right past me. |
Wilms |
Jan-29-08 11:45 PM |
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well, you know... |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jan-29-08 05:13 AM |
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No. It isn't pleasant at all. |
Wilms |
Jan-29-08 09:59 AM |
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The reason the Liberty DRE was NOT certified is that the machine is NOT ACCESSIBLE enough |
Bill Bored |
Jan-29-08 12:12 PM |
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eh |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jan-29-08 12:12 PM |
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NY election law requires cut-and-drop VVPATs. They are just as auditiable |
Bill Bored |
Jan-29-08 12:55 PM |
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whoa |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jan-30-08 07:23 AM |
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The point is that somehow election officials have the idea that a 3% audit |
Bill Bored |
Jan-30-08 10:38 PM |
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Feh. |
Wilms |
Jan-29-08 11:59 PM |
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I think there is more to it |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jan-30-08 05:49 AM |
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Did I say the BoE was/is united? |
Wilms |
Jan-30-08 09:18 PM |
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The Election Commissioners Assn. of the State of NY wanted to keep levers |
Bill Bored |
Jan-30-08 10:43 PM |
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Kick |
Wilms |
Mar-27-08 09:10 PM |
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DRE and Optiscans are equally evil? Not true |
Einsteinia |
Mar-28-08 06:15 PM |
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But no one is using scanners the way you suggest Einsteinia. |
Bill Bored |
Mar-29-08 12:52 AM |
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"and not a lot of paper ballots either" walk softly Bill |
kster |
Mar-29-08 01:38 AM |
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I think once those scanners are in place, with all those paper ballots, |
Bill Bored |
Mar-29-08 03:00 AM |
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I think you are crazy to support |
kster |
Mar-29-08 03:28 AM |
#45 |
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So we are going to spend millions on scanners so we can HAND COUNT? Get real! |
Bill Bored |
Mar-29-08 03:32 PM |
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For now, YES, let the crooks feel |
kster |
Mar-30-08 02:35 AM |
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True but NOT for long --Sign here: |
Einsteinia |
Mar-31-08 05:41 PM |
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Forced vote by mail? Where's that besides Oregon? |
Bill Bored |
Apr-02-08 11:52 PM |
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Optical Scan = Electronic Vote Counting n/t |
Wilms |
Apr-19-08 02:43 PM |
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It's nice that Liberty Election System is bailing on efforts to sell DREs to NYers |
Wilms |
Apr-24-08 10:21 PM |
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Optical scanners are the same as a "get away car" |
kster |
Apr-24-08 11:16 PM |
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If you insist on going off topic, I'd appreciated you not posting on my threads. |
Wilms |
Apr-26-08 06:05 PM |
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Still Lying: Bo Lipari's Deceit on Voice of the Voters |
Wilms |
Jul-03-08 08:47 AM |
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Bo's Response to Defamatory Comments |
bolipari |
Jul-05-08 02:59 PM |
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Perhaps I should have posted the clarification here, as well as the original thread. |
Wilms |
Jul-05-08 03:46 PM |
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Bo Lpari insults election advocates wary of his computerized vote counting contraptions. |
Wilms |
Apr-11-10 09:51 AM |
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well |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Apr-11-10 05:05 PM |
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You can make those arguments but they are as likely to be untrue. |
Wilms |
Apr-11-10 06:30 PM |
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really? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Apr-12-10 08:06 AM |
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Oh I am absolutely sure it depends "who decides what counts as studying the issue closely". |
Wilms |
Apr-12-10 10:45 AM |
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for what it is worth |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Apr-12-10 10:58 AM |
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If the debate was centered on FACTS, that would be the case. |
Wilms |
Apr-12-10 11:07 AM |
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This post might provide some insight into the situation in NY: |
Bill Bored |
Apr-13-10 01:59 PM |
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