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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:59 PM
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33. Feh.

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_conten...
To me, this seems to sum up NYVV's position on lever machines pretty well. My freehand paraphrase: "Surrender. The Law says you have to drop levers by September of 2007." Well, the BoE didn't get the memo. (You know...those "corrupt politicians".) You're right though, it's not masking other views. It's dismissing them as "chimera".

Keep in mind I don't lament anyone warning against DREs. But I've argued there's a fine line given all the circumstance.

But for you to quote someone talking about the auditability or recountability of PBOS I must beg relief.
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  -Why doesn't Bo Lipari get a job selling Optical Scan? Wilms  Jan-21-08 04:10 PM   #0 
  - WTF are you talking about? New York...  TreasonousBastard   Jan-21-08 04:51 PM   #1 
  - "...they're great-- easy to use and error/fraud free."  Wilms   Jan-21-08 05:22 PM   #2 
     - To our county BoE it is very clear that...  TreasonousBastard   Jan-21-08 05:50 PM   #3 
     - So what scanner, if any, do you have in mind?  Wilms   Jan-21-08 05:57 PM   #4 
        - I don't have any in mind because...  TreasonousBastard   Jan-21-08 06:07 PM   #5 
           - DRE's are not off the table.  Wilms   Jan-21-08 07:30 PM   #6 
              - I wouldn't be surprised if a few places...  TreasonousBastard   Jan-21-08 08:25 PM   #7 
     - levers verses HCPB verses optical scan  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-27-08 01:11 AM   #12 
        - Links please.  Wilms   Jan-27-08 10:05 AM   #13 
        - Here's a "higher cost" story.  Wilms   Jan-27-08 02:21 PM   #15 
        - Smoke em while you got em, the vote count scam is over  kster   Mar-29-08 03:08 AM   #44 
  - Well, at least he's not pushing LHS and Diebold and calling it "the Accuvote"  Bill Bored   Jan-22-08 01:03 AM   #8 
  - I've found out that's an edited version not including it.  Wilms   Jan-26-08 08:31 PM   #9 
     - He's a tireless advocate against DREs. That's not a bad thing.  Bill Bored   Jan-26-08 11:13 PM   #10 
  - Why?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-27-08 01:06 AM   #11 
  - As I've said before...  Wilms   Jan-27-08 10:07 AM   #14 
  - Opscans use electronic ballots too (they image the paper and count THAT IMAGE)  Land Shark   Jan-27-08 02:57 PM   #16 
  - We owe Bo Lipari, NYVV and activists across the state a big debt of gratitude  bernesebernese   Jan-28-08 02:34 PM   #17 
  - oh, they've been insulted too...  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-28-08 04:40 PM   #18 
  - Largely what OTOH said.  Wilms   Jan-28-08 10:32 PM   #19 
     - the OP makes a personal attack on Bo  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-28-08 10:38 PM   #20 
     - Obviously, I disagree.  Wilms   Jan-28-08 10:41 PM   #21 
        - DU - the Anti Activists and The Election Reform Forum  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-28-08 10:53 PM   #22 
        - What? It's OK as long as it's an activist who YOU think is headed in a wrong direction?  Wilms   Jan-28-08 11:17 PM   #23 
        - It's all relative.  btmlndfrmr   Jan-28-08 11:19 PM   #24 
        - proof?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-29-08 01:31 PM   #30 
           - The jury's still out. See post #29. nt  Bill Bored   Jan-29-08 09:32 PM   #31 
           - You're listening right past me.  Wilms   Jan-29-08 11:45 PM   #32 
     - well, you know...  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-29-08 05:13 AM   #25 
        - No. It isn't pleasant at all.  Wilms   Jan-29-08 09:59 AM   #26 
           - The reason the Liberty DRE was NOT certified is that the machine is NOT ACCESSIBLE enough  Bill Bored   Jan-29-08 12:12 PM   #27 
           - eh  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-29-08 12:12 PM   #28 
              - NY election law requires cut-and-drop VVPATs. They are just as auditiable  Bill Bored   Jan-29-08 12:55 PM   #29 
              - whoa  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-30-08 07:23 AM   #35 
                 - The point is that somehow election officials have the idea that a 3% audit  Bill Bored   Jan-30-08 10:38 PM   #37 
              - Feh.  Wilms   Jan-29-08 11:59 PM   #33 
                 - I think there is more to it  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-30-08 05:49 AM   #34 
                    - Did I say the BoE was/is united?  Wilms   Jan-30-08 09:18 PM   #36 
                    - The Election Commissioners Assn. of the State of NY wanted to keep levers  Bill Bored   Jan-30-08 10:43 PM   #38 
  - Kick  Wilms   Mar-27-08 09:10 PM   #39 
  - DRE and Optiscans are equally evil? Not true  Einsteinia   Mar-28-08 06:15 PM   #40 
  - But no one is using scanners the way you suggest Einsteinia.  Bill Bored   Mar-29-08 12:52 AM   #41 
     - "and not a lot of paper ballots either" walk softly Bill  kster   Mar-29-08 01:38 AM   #42 
     - I think once those scanners are in place, with all those paper ballots,  Bill Bored   Mar-29-08 03:00 AM   #43 
        - I think you are crazy to support  kster   Mar-29-08 03:28 AM   #45 
           - So we are going to spend millions on scanners so we can HAND COUNT? Get real!  Bill Bored   Mar-29-08 03:32 PM   #46 
              - For now, YES, let the crooks feel  kster   Mar-30-08 02:35 AM   #47 
     - True but NOT for long --Sign here:  Einsteinia   Mar-31-08 05:41 PM   #48 
        - Forced vote by mail? Where's that besides Oregon?  Bill Bored   Apr-02-08 11:52 PM   #49 
  - Optical Scan = Electronic Vote Counting n/t  Wilms   Apr-19-08 02:43 PM   #50 
  - It's nice that Liberty Election System is bailing on efforts to sell DREs to NYers  Wilms   Apr-24-08 10:21 PM   #51 
  - Optical scanners are the same as a "get away car"  kster   Apr-24-08 11:16 PM   #52 
     - If you insist on going off topic, I'd appreciated you not posting on my threads.  Wilms   Apr-26-08 06:05 PM   #53 
  - Still Lying: Bo Lipari's Deceit on Voice of the Voters  Wilms   Jul-03-08 08:47 AM   #54 
  - Bo's Response to Defamatory Comments  bolipari   Jul-05-08 02:59 PM   #55 
     - Perhaps I should have posted the clarification here, as well as the original thread.  Wilms   Jul-05-08 03:46 PM   #56 
  - Bo Lpari insults election advocates wary of his computerized vote counting contraptions.  Wilms   Apr-11-10 09:51 AM   #57 
     - well  WillYourVoteBCounted   Apr-11-10 05:05 PM   #58 
        - You can make those arguments but they are as likely to be untrue.  Wilms   Apr-11-10 06:30 PM   #59 
           - really?  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-12-10 08:06 AM   #60 
              - Oh I am absolutely sure it depends "who decides what counts as studying the issue closely".  Wilms   Apr-12-10 10:45 AM   #61 
                 - for what it is worth  WillYourVoteBCounted   Apr-12-10 10:58 AM   #62 
                    - If the debate was centered on FACTS, that would be the case.  Wilms   Apr-12-10 11:07 AM   #63 
                    - This post might provide some insight into the situation in NY:  Bill Bored   Apr-13-10 01:59 PM   #64 
 

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