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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:31 AM
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59. Wonder why anybody would be against verifying elections?
One downside is that the media will pick up on the story and Hillary will be suspected of fixing the election. If there is a question about whether Hillary did something wrong or not some Hillary haters will jump to conclusions. "She must have done it because she's so evil." The right wing has already picked up on the idea that Hillary might have fixed the election. If the audit finds the final tally was in order, many of the same people who accused her at first will just come up with another excuse to make it look like she did it. When has proof of innocence ever stopped Clinton critics?

Its kind of having a cop arrest you with no evidence. Suppose the cop said to you, "We don't have any evidence but in the interest of justice wouldn't a trial be a good idea? What would it hurt?" The same line of reasoning has been used against Hillary countless times. "Doesn't the public have a right to know? What are you trying to hide?" Once the media circus begins, additional questions and charges start floating around and soon the original question is lost in a blur of other incriminating questions. In the minds of many, questions equal guilt.

An audit will unfairly harm Hillary in upcoming primaries.

Another reason against the audit is that it will increase public perception that lefties on the net are all kooks if the audit fails to show problems. Mass opinions coming from this new medium will be even more ignored. Politicians will want to distance themselves even more.

The integrity of elections matters more to me than Hillary getting the nomination. If there were stronger reasons to doubt the New Hampshire vote I'd be all for an audit. The original exit poll results were very close to the final tally. The chance that the election was hacked is remote. It doesn't seem worth an audit to me.

And by the way, I don't believe in 2004 vote fraud either, so its not just that I want to defend my candidate.
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  -About the NH votes ....(Important) lala_rawraw  Jan-10-08 10:38 AM   #0 
  - Thanks for taking a reasonable look at this n/t  rox63   Jan-10-08 10:48 AM   #1 
  - sure, i am just trying  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 03:55 PM   #18 
     - thank you, well stated!  Voice for Peace   Jan-11-08 09:51 AM   #65 
  - K&R  helderheid   Jan-10-08 10:49 AM   #2 
  - Thanks LaLa, funny how some folks worked hard at making ER folks look foolish  mod mom   Jan-10-08 10:50 AM   #3 
  - i think emotions can get in the way sometimes...  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 11:00 AM   #8 
  - Troubling that some care MORE about their candidate than saving democracy  eowyn_of_rohan   Jan-11-08 06:30 AM   #55 
  - Wonder why anybody would be against verifying elections?  creeksneakers2   Jan-11-08 08:31 AM   #59 
     - You've forgotten that exit polls are "adjusted" by  AikidoSoul   Jan-11-08 09:30 AM   #63 
        - The original exit polls showed a close race  creeksneakers2   Jan-11-08 10:53 AM   #66 
           - The trouble with computerized counting or tabulation is that there IS NO EVIDENCE  AikidoSoul   Jan-12-08 06:08 PM   #74 
  - Well said. It is incredible how people react when this topic comes  truckin   Jan-10-08 10:53 AM   #4 
  - Thank you. A voice of reason. Rage against the machines, not a candidate.  deminks   Jan-10-08 10:53 AM   #5 
  - "This conversation should be had, not censored..."  foo_bar   Jan-10-08 10:54 AM   #6 
  - excellent... i had not seen that...  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 11:01 AM   #9 
  - Thank you Lala -- Now, when the problem is between 2 Dems, is the time to  IndyOp   Jan-10-08 10:57 AM   #7 
  - we can also just get drunk...  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 11:02 AM   #10 
  - Will you ever accept the fact that voter fraud, alone, is the only issue here?  DCKit   Jan-10-08 11:47 AM   #11 
  - I do think that so long as Diebold is used...  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 12:19 PM   #12 
  - Unfortunately ES&S, Triad and the rest are suspect as well. They're all owned  diane in sf   Jan-10-08 07:09 PM   #23 
  - It's election fraud. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jan-10-08 06:56 PM   #21 
  - Hear, hear!  kma3346   Jan-10-08 01:16 PM   #13 
  - Can anyone tell me why votes kept backtracking?  Digit   Jan-10-08 01:21 PM   #14 
  - That looks like update lag in their server farm  unc70   Jan-10-08 02:46 PM   #16 
  - I'm wondering that too...  stillcool47   Jan-11-08 12:17 PM   #71 
  - kicking for Andy! n/t  vickiss   Jan-10-08 01:54 PM   #15 
  - god i miss him!  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 03:54 PM   #17 
     - He was an amazing guy!  vickiss   Jan-10-08 09:13 PM   #30 
  - Thanks, and a K&R.  Kurovski   Jan-10-08 06:52 PM   #19 
  - Excellent L  althecat   Jan-10-08 06:54 PM   #20 
  - It's occurred to me one goal might be to discredit the polls  starroute   Jan-10-08 07:07 PM   #22 
  - This is my #1 reason for wanting a recount. I think the same thing. We have to challenge this!  rudy23   Jan-10-08 08:32 PM   #26 
  - Bingo! We have a winner!  Usrename   Jan-10-08 10:56 PM   #43 
  - Exit polls - Obama +1, Actual Results Clinton +3 - they were off by 4%  HughMoran   Jan-11-08 01:01 AM   #44 
  - That's been the goal since 2000  Spiffarino   Jan-11-08 01:21 AM   #46 
  - Or, perhaps say, Mark J Penn?  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-11-08 01:35 AM   #47 
  - He HAS been rather vocal about this particular result, hasn't he?  frogcycle   Jan-11-08 05:40 AM   #53 
  - Thanks for that Larissa!  AntiFascist   Jan-10-08 07:15 PM   #24 
  - Thanks LaLa !  doublethink   Jan-10-08 07:17 PM   #25 
  - Thank-you. This needs to be said loudly.  robinlynne   Jan-10-08 08:43 PM   #27 
  - I'm sorry. I've seen no hord of Obama supporters flogging this.  sfexpat2000   Jan-10-08 09:09 PM   #28 
  - the ignore list...  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 10:15 PM   #33 
     - My ignore list is really more like a time out list.  sfexpat2000   Jan-10-08 10:21 PM   #35 
        - good response,  crikkett   Jan-11-08 11:37 AM   #69 
  - You are too kind  Samantha   Jan-10-08 09:13 PM   #29 
  - someone noted up thread...  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 10:13 PM   #32 
  - Let us recall the fraud of 1972.  JackRiddler   Jan-10-08 09:48 PM   #31 
  - well said... as always n/t  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 10:16 PM   #34 
  - I retract my earlier 'sour grapes'.  Warren Stupidity   Jan-10-08 10:27 PM   #36 
  - Good on you. Welcome to the only reasonable course of action.  Bonobo   Jan-10-08 10:29 PM   #37 
  - You, sire, are a gentelman n/t  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 10:31 PM   #38 
  - I don't agree with those facts.  creeksneakers2   Jan-11-08 09:03 AM   #60 
     - I'm fine with getting to the bottom of it.  Warren Stupidity   Jan-11-08 12:10 PM   #70 
        - I'm happy to see audits  creeksneakers2   Jan-11-08 01:15 PM   #72 
  - Thanks Larisa (and important indeed!)  BradBlog   Jan-10-08 10:32 PM   #39 
  - To both of you.  btmlndfrmr   Jan-10-08 10:50 PM   #42 
  - K & R  Tuesday_Morning   Jan-10-08 10:34 PM   #40 
  - Agree, it's all about transparency  Muddy Waters Guitar   Jan-10-08 10:36 PM   #41 
  - Thank you lala.  balantz   Jan-11-08 01:13 AM   #45 
  - kucinich is going for a recount!!!  orleans   Jan-11-08 01:52 AM   #48 
  - excellent post . . . as it stands right now, we don't really know who won NH . . .  OneBlueSky   Jan-11-08 02:18 AM   #49 
  - k+r  Progs Rock   Jan-11-08 04:09 AM   #50 
  - Thank you. Amazing how soon people forget the stolen election of 2004 or 2000 for that matter.  TheGoldenRule   Jan-11-08 05:02 AM   #51 
  - Hear hear!  sss1977   Jan-11-08 05:37 AM   #52 
  - Great post! The machines have been my main concern  caseycoon   Jan-11-08 05:57 AM   #54 
  - It's worth taking a closer look.  ecdab   Jan-11-08 07:03 AM   #56 
  - Thank you for your hard work, and your calm rationality. I was a "hair on fire" poster  chimpymustgo   Jan-11-08 07:22 AM   #57 
  - Very Well Said lala_rawraw  fascisthunter   Jan-11-08 08:30 AM   #58 
  - We have to be very careful - DU/Skinner message related. In support of Lala.  higher class   Jan-11-08 09:15 AM   #61 
  - fully in support of you, lala  Lerkfish   Jan-11-08 09:23 AM   #62 
  - :D  lala_rawraw   Jan-11-08 11:11 AM   #67 
  - Well done LaLa  AikidoSoul   Jan-11-08 09:32 AM   #64 
  - My contention was the appearance of DU questioning BradBlog's credibility...  newburgh   Jan-11-08 11:17 AM   #68 
  - I have a couple questions. to lala or brad or whoever would know...  Whisp   Jan-11-08 02:11 PM   #73 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-09-08 09:19 PM   #75 
 

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