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Thu Jan-10-08 07:18 AM
Response to Reply #6 |
| 8. This has nothing to do with Obama. |
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The term is election fraud.
Raising questions about the result of a vote on unaudited insecure machines ahead of a general election after we have been robbed TWICE is not crying wolf and it's not Pavlovian. It's logical consequence.
If after all the information we now have on these machines, you still need a tin foil hat, it's because you like the look.
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| -Bradblog, 2:47 AM: Chris Matthews: Raw EXIT POLL Data 'Indicated Significant Victory' for Obama in |
deminks |
Jan-10-08 06:39 AM |
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Who'd a thunk it? Oh, wait. Most of us who followed 2004 Ohio. |
Junkdrawer |
Jan-10-08 06:44 AM |
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If Diebold is involved, you can't believe a bit of it. |
Perry Logan |
Jan-10-08 06:46 AM |
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Why is it that we distrust and loathe Chris Matthews when |
oktoberain |
Jan-10-08 06:47 AM |
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I would quote KKKarl Rove if he let go of a hint like this. |
deminks |
Jan-10-08 06:51 AM |
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I don't trust him - I would trust a hand count of the NH optiscan ballots. |
JackRiddler |
Jan-10-08 09:38 PM |
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My head is officially spinning. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-10-08 06:55 AM |
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So Does This Happen Every Time Obama Loses A Primary? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-10-08 07:08 AM |
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This has nothing to do with Obama. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 07:18 AM |
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Most Of New Hampshire Had A Paper Trail... |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-10-08 07:58 AM |
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It's not a paper trail but scanned ballots. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 08:02 AM |
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Paper ballots=paper trail. |
smoogatz |
Jan-10-08 08:16 AM |
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Unfortunately, most recounts need a trigger threshold. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-10-08 08:31 AM |
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Yep. We have a similar system here. But I seriously doubt |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 08:33 AM |
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Well, there doesn't seem to be any real reason to in this case. |
smoogatz |
Jan-10-08 08:59 AM |
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That's a good idea. This is ridiculous already, n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 09:01 AM |
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No one has seen the raw exit poll data. I beg of you to review the actual facts. |
cryingshame |
Jan-10-08 09:02 AM |
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No one? |
smoogatz |
Jan-10-08 09:05 AM |
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The news organizations are not at all experienced in analyzing the data |
truedelphi |
Jan-10-08 09:36 PM |
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but they weren't recounted were they? Not even a random few as an audit. |
cryingshame |
Jan-10-08 09:01 AM |
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Why should they be? |
smoogatz |
Jan-10-08 09:10 AM |
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Any Convictions? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-10-08 08:26 AM |
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Two convictions, iirc. Let's see if I can find a link. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 08:32 AM |
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Link to Free Press article on Cuyahoga Co. convictions: |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 08:42 AM |
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The Central Office... |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-10-08 08:48 AM |
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I don't know. In my opinion, those will be harder to get simply |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 08:55 AM |
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I See It Easier To Catch 'Em At The Local Level |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-10-08 09:06 AM |
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Paper trail means jack shit without meaningful audits. n/t |
helderheid |
Jan-10-08 08:17 AM |
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Historically, Exit Polls are accurate to within a 2% MOE, that's a 4% 'swing'. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-10-08 08:23 AM |
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And Polls Are Infallible? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-10-08 08:38 AM |
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Go educate yourself. Here's a link; |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-10-08 08:45 AM |
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And How Does This Relate To New Hampshire??? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-10-08 08:59 AM |
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good points |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jan-11-08 08:25 PM |
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speaking of education... |
foo_bar |
Jan-10-08 09:27 AM |
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So, there is no difference between "Within Percent Error" and "Margin of Error"? |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-10-08 04:37 PM |
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to the contrary |
foo_bar |
Jan-11-08 12:15 AM |
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LMAO! Pseudo-intellectual condescension does not become us. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-11-08 04:41 PM |
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self-delete, wrong place. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-11-08 04:50 PM |
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you not only lost the argument, you're making stuff up to pretend you didn't |
foo_bar |
Jan-11-08 05:14 PM |
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Lame. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-11-08 06:21 PM |
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"I was using it as an index as the function of the WPE is comparable to the funtional basis" |
foo_bar |
Jan-11-08 06:29 PM |
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So you don't realize they use the same function. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-11-08 06:49 PM |
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Your hovercraft is full of eels? |
foo_bar |
Jan-11-08 07:00 PM |
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at foo_bar's request, or whatever... |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jan-11-08 08:14 PM |
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I merely misphrased it. It should have read; "So far off FROM the MOE" |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-12-08 03:11 PM |
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Oh, so you DO spend time there. That's good. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-11-08 04:54 PM |
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you're having trouble with the concepts of "there" and "here" |
foo_bar |
Jan-11-08 06:42 PM |
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There's that PIC (Psuedo-Intellectual Condescension) again. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jan-11-08 06:52 PM |
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that's the Making Up Acronyms again |
foo_bar |
Jan-12-08 12:38 PM |
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I posted two threads about that last week. You are right. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 08:46 AM |
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Maybe I'm misreading this, but Matthews seems to be saying the raw exit polls |
smoogatz |
Jan-10-08 09:31 AM |
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Brad blog is spreading a misinterpretation of what Matthews said |
creeksneakers2 |
Jan-12-08 02:14 PM |
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It happens ever damned time an election is held on electronic voting equipmet and no paper ballots |
cryingshame |
Jan-10-08 09:00 AM |
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Watching on election night, it was OBVIOUS! All of MSM remained silent for over 1 hour |
Kip Humphrey |
Jan-10-08 07:12 AM |
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What tripped my alarm wasn't that because I was busy. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 07:24 AM |
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It's not just the orgy of fictions that makes me suspicious.. |
Usrename |
Jan-11-08 12:00 AM |
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Looks like... |
quickesst |
Jan-10-08 07:52 AM |
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this has shit all to do with who you support. It's about transparent elections. Simple audits |
cryingshame |
Jan-10-08 09:05 AM |
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Tweety is talking out of his ass |
Marrah_G |
Jan-10-08 07:55 AM |
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of course you have no proof to offer. |
Blarch |
Jan-10-08 08:00 AM |
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Just what I and anyone listening to new england news heard |
Marrah_G |
Jan-10-08 08:04 AM |
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Fuck that. |
Blarch |
Jan-10-08 08:10 AM |
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The people of NH care what you think........... |
Marrah_G |
Jan-10-08 08:13 AM |
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All Dems have a problem with this? Why aren't any of the candidates calling for a hand count? |
mondo joe |
Jan-10-08 08:26 AM |
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Because it would be political suicide? Why should they -- |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 08:44 AM |
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Wow, so not ven one Dem candidate cares enough about fair elections to call for a |
mondo joe |
Jan-10-08 09:08 AM |
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In the years I've been trying to follow and work on these issues, |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 01:38 PM |
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Do you think if there was evidence of fraud the peole of NH would be quiet about it? |
Marrah_G |
Jan-10-08 09:10 AM |
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5th rec |
helderheid |
Jan-10-08 07:59 AM |
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really? how come ABC News bloggers which were reported on their site on election day as the voting |
book_worm |
Jan-10-08 08:01 AM |
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You dismiss the legitimate concerns of people who have |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-10-08 08:05 AM |
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How does this dismiss legitimate election reform |
Marrah_G |
Jan-10-08 08:11 AM |
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self-delete |
Marrah_G |
Jan-10-08 09:13 AM |
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They were not quoting the raw exit polls. They would get into big trouble. |
deminks |
Jan-10-08 08:22 AM |
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We already have two links to prove that at 8PM |
creeksneakers2 |
Jan-12-08 02:18 PM |
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Lord have mercy on us....of all people...Chris Matthews is THE authority. |
Bitwit1234 |
Jan-10-08 08:05 AM |
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Same with the part of the exits that showed last minute deciders |
Laura PackYourBags |
Jan-10-08 08:17 AM |
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So Tweety is an asshat...except when he's not? |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-10-08 08:28 AM |
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Tweety hasn't changed. He just let go of a big one. nt |
deminks |
Jan-10-08 08:31 AM |
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depends on which way the wind is blowing |
Marrah_G |
Jan-10-08 08:45 AM |
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This is rage against the machines, people, not Clinton or Obama or Kerry or Bush or Rove or... |
deminks |
Jan-10-08 08:29 AM |
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I can't believe if Hillary suffered a surprise dramatic loss |
creeksneakers2 |
Jan-12-08 02:20 PM |
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Both the Governor and Secretary of State of NH are Democrats. |
smoogatz |
Jan-10-08 08:47 AM |
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Bradblog needs to hire a researcher/fact checker |
foo_bar |
Jan-10-08 09:27 AM |
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man, you have just been in the zone! n/t |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jan-11-08 07:54 PM |
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I, for one, like my new home. |
deminks |
Jan-10-08 10:00 AM |
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Yup, no reason to be suspicious here. Guess that Mod with the great vocab is right after all! |
Bonobo |
Jan-10-08 04:43 PM |
#64 |
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