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Fri Sep-14-07 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #96 |
| 97. I had thought there was an "undercurrent" of unsubstantiated attack |
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Spitzer brokered a deal with NY members in the House so he could keep "his paperless secret vote counting machiNes." That's what we had."Airtime or responsiveness" didn't have a lot to do with it, as far as I can see.
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| -THE LATEST ON HR 811--and what to do about it! |
kster |
Sep-07-07 05:56 PM |
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You know, I am really beginning to get pissed at NY Democrats. |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-07-07 08:02 PM |
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What makes everybody think Lever Machines are so unriggable... |
althecat |
Sep-07-07 10:37 PM |
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Paperless Mechanical Counting Machines gives Politicians |
kster |
Sep-07-07 11:04 PM |
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Anyone can manipulate a local election. |
Bill Bored |
Sep-07-07 11:14 PM |
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Ya and Eliot Spitzer had the GOOD SENSE to make sure |
kster |
Sep-07-07 11:43 PM |
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I think MCM is factually challenged. |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 01:15 AM |
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Why won't they say it out loud Bill |
kster |
Sep-08-07 01:28 AM |
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People who need to, know exactly what's going on. Sorry you're not in the loop. nt |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 01:49 AM |
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Good answer so, Why won't the Politicians say it out loud, Bill? |
kster |
Sep-08-07 03:06 AM |
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Say what? That NY is defying the Justice Dept., EAC, BushCo., Holt, and the rest of the |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 12:36 PM |
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You do. Because the only evidence to the contrary are exit polls. :) |
Bill Bored |
Sep-07-07 11:08 PM |
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The evidence to the contrary is the implausible election returns showing 40% + Bush vote gain |
althecat |
Sep-07-07 11:28 PM |
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz nt |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 01:45 AM |
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Althecat... an apoplgy |
BeFree |
Sep-10-07 11:54 AM |
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in fairness to althecat, he did not make that incorrect claim |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-10-07 12:30 PM |
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Really? |
BeFree |
Sep-10-07 12:38 PM |
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this is the problem in a nutshell |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-10-07 01:38 PM |
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Yes |
BeFree |
Sep-10-07 01:49 PM |
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why do you ask what you can see for yourself? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-10-07 02:15 PM |
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That's better |
BeFree |
Sep-10-07 02:19 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-10-07 02:03 PM |
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For clarity.... I was not talking about NYC or NYSTATE - I was talking Ocean/Brooklyn & Queens CTs |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 01:49 AM |
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OK, a few points here |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-11-07 05:44 AM |
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What is unusual is which counties Bush did so well in... that is the urban legend. |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 06:07 AM |
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what do you mean, "that is the urban legend"? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-11-07 07:26 AM |
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I had thought for a second that you might be willing to debate. |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 04:27 PM |
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who is debating? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-11-07 05:32 PM |
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Good question perhaps we should have one with some rules? |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 08:56 PM |
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the subject is the Urban Legend article |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-12-07 04:28 AM |
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Thankyou befree... |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 01:50 AM |
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ouch |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-08-07 07:51 AM |
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You know perfectly well what I am talking about... |
althecat |
Sep-08-07 08:19 AM |
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I do not read minds |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-08-07 09:04 AM |
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"Does it trouble you at all that so few experts take your views seriously? " |
althecat |
Sep-08-07 05:54 PM |
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what a strange response |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-08-07 06:18 PM |
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There is nothing odd about my response. |
althecat |
Sep-09-07 05:46 AM |
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unfortunately, you can't hold up your side of the argument |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-09-07 06:28 AM |
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Please do move on.. and please do not bother with further rebuttal.. |
althecat |
Sep-09-07 05:48 PM |
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Re: "[misunderstanding] "persistent rhetoric" to mean "proof"" |
Wilms |
Sep-09-07 06:14 PM |
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thanks for the caution against false binaries |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-09-07 07:16 PM |
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Quite right..... |
althecat |
Sep-10-07 01:04 AM |
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"opinions differ on shape of earth" |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-10-07 06:30 AM |
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let me try that with the images in the right order! |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-10-07 09:52 AM |
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my browser (IE6.) shows 2 images not displaying... dimensions 28x30 pixels... |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 01:39 AM |
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yeah, the photobucket links parsed badly |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-11-07 05:11 AM |
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Interesting argument which wouldn't be persuasive even if it were true, but as its not... |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 04:56 PM |
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uh, no |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-11-07 05:40 PM |
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incidentally, here is what Collins says about Bush's big city vote COUNT: |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-11-07 07:18 PM |
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Excellent reference... I will respond in detail as I get |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 09:04 PM |
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Rebuttal Part One.... Deconstructing Ruy Teixeira's flawed analysis of 2004 |
althecat |
Sep-11-07 11:19 PM |
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you wiped out at the first curve |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-12-07 05:02 AM |
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It is at best rather sloppy language and it is certainly not backed up by the rest of the post. |
althecat |
Sep-12-07 05:58 PM |
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it's precise language, and it certainly is backed up n/t |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-12-07 08:17 PM |
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Rebuttal Part Two.... Deconstructing Ruy Teixeira's incomplete analysis of 2004 |
althecat |
Sep-12-07 12:44 AM |
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is any of this on topic? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-12-07 04:30 AM |
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Well yes of course.... responding to #66 as requested. |
althecat |
Sep-12-07 05:56 PM |
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that isn't responsive to #66 |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-12-07 06:04 PM |
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Touche |
althecat |
Sep-10-07 03:55 AM |
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with secret vote counting now the norm, isn't it hard to arrive at ANY firm FINAL conclusion? |
kpete |
Sep-10-07 06:53 PM |
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True. But what do you mean by "now the norm"? |
Wilms |
Sep-10-07 09:02 PM |
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OK, I'm awake now.... |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 12:22 PM |
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Yes that makes sense Bill.... however it is interesting that the same pattern is shown |
althecat |
Sep-08-07 05:45 PM |
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Easy now! |
Bill Bored |
Sep-07-07 11:07 PM |
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Cajones to what, go back to their old way of rigging ellections? |
kster |
Sep-07-07 11:27 PM |
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How do they "count" votes in YOUR State kster? nt |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 01:18 AM |
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In secret, I'm trying, but if NY keeps side stepping |
kster |
Sep-08-07 02:32 AM |
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I don't think its that, NY is unique |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Sep-08-07 01:20 AM |
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Try to explain it all away, it WILL NOT WORK, FACE |
kster |
Sep-08-07 01:40 AM |
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How's that Missouri thing working out then? nt |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 01:52 AM |
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Oh definite thumbs up for the Bowen...uh I mean...Davis amendment! nt |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 01:41 AM |
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yes and thank you Verified Voting for your involvement in that amendment |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Sep-08-07 01:44 AM |
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Well, it's like the CIA then. Put up a plaque somewhere where no one will see it. |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 01:51 AM |
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On the other hand, it's also a good way to silence dissent. |
Bill Bored |
Sep-08-07 02:12 AM |
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Now BB, I didn't put anything out there |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Sep-10-07 02:08 PM |
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Or maybe we'll end up with a Frankstein's monster |
Cookie wookie |
Sep-10-07 07:24 PM |
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Just can't believe that the enemy -- activists who've supported |
Cookie wookie |
Sep-10-07 07:21 PM |
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I don't think it's about the activists |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-10-07 08:06 PM |
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it's all good Bill |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Sep-10-07 02:12 PM |
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Hi yall |
kster |
Sep-12-07 12:01 AM |
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Hi kevin... |
althecat |
Sep-12-07 12:25 AM |
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AlI I know is it excludes the people that want to Hand Count All the Paper Ballots |
kster |
Sep-12-07 12:54 AM |
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Actually, it calls for HCPB activists to be sent to "Re-Education Camps". |
Wilms |
Sep-12-07 02:05 AM |
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Good lord Kevin. I think we were right to be concerned about these HR811 supporters... |
althecat |
Sep-12-07 02:27 AM |
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I'll say |
kster |
Sep-12-07 09:37 PM |
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HR 811 Will give us Paper Ballots, but we the people are not allowed to HAND count ALL of them |
kster |
Sep-12-07 02:38 AM |
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Nothing is stopping anyone from getting legislation in their |
Cookie wookie |
Sep-12-07 05:31 AM |
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oh that is a scream - "Re-Education Camps" |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Sep-12-07 05:24 PM |
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We will call it the "Eliot Spitzer Re-Education Camp |
kster |
Sep-13-07 12:06 AM |
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Sep-13-07 12:11 AM |
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Have at it. |
Cookie wookie |
Sep-13-07 12:48 AM |
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Sep-13-07 02:47 AM |
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reality check |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-13-07 09:59 AM |
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So Spitzer can screw us around |
kster |
Sep-13-07 08:10 PM |
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here's a crazy idea: |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-14-07 05:30 AM |
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That's the "Democratic" part, what is the "Underground" for? |
Land Shark |
Sep-14-07 04:02 PM |
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I had thought there was an "undercurrent" of unsubstantiated attack |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-14-07 06:26 PM |
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Spitzer doesn't like Secret Corporate Vote Counting Machines |
kster |
Sep-15-07 11:28 PM |
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he probably can't sleep worrying about the DU forum |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Sep-14-07 12:53 AM |
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Knowing that Spitzer agrees with me is a good thing |
kster |
Sep-14-07 11:40 PM |
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Sep-15-07 12:28 AM |
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Speaking the truth is easy |
kster |
Sep-15-07 12:54 AM |
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