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  -Scoop & Autorank: Michael Collins Full Report - "Election 2004: The Urban Legend" althecat  Jun-13-07 04:25 AM   #0 
  - GD Cross Post Is here... ERD plz knr the GD version  althecat   Jun-13-07 04:27 AM   #1 
  - KR.nt  kster   Jun-13-07 04:57 PM   #2 
  - Hey, think we need tighter election procedures?  autorank   Jun-13-07 07:22 PM   #4 
  - Bravo, Collins and Scoop.  bleever   Jun-13-07 06:20 PM   #3 
  - Charles Cook on exit polls  Febble   Jun-14-07 02:33 AM   #5 
  - Good grief, don't you guys ever stop your  kster   Jun-14-07 02:49 AM   #6 
  - Do you ever  Febble   Jun-14-07 03:41 AM   #7 
  - Absolutely, I always like to hear what people from other countries have to say ..nt  kster   Jun-14-07 03:51 AM   #8 
  - Nope,the gatekeepers must persevere or else ...  maryallen   Feb-09-08 12:45 PM   #233 
     - hahahahahahaha  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-09-08 06:32 AM   #235 
  - I agree to a great extent...  Sancho   Jun-14-07 07:05 AM   #9 
     - why don't you?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-14-07 07:26 AM   #10 
     - Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.  Sancho   Jun-14-07 08:31 AM   #12 
        - Firstly  Febble   Jun-14-07 08:49 AM   #13 
        - I agree to a great extent...  Sancho   Jun-14-07 06:16 PM   #15 
           - "Why not?"?  Febble   Jun-15-07 01:38 AM   #19 
        - then don't  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-14-07 09:17 AM   #14 
           - This is where you are wrong.  Sancho   Jun-14-07 07:02 PM   #16 
              - no, I don't think so  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-14-07 08:13 PM   #17 
     - Sancho, it doesn't sound to me  Febble   Jun-14-07 08:08 AM   #11 
        - "mandatory random manual audits would be a much better way than exit polls of indicating whether  troubleinwinter   Jun-14-07 11:16 PM   #18 
        - The OP is making an entirely different argument  eridani   Jun-15-07 02:11 AM   #20 
        - No, I am aware that it is a different argument  Febble   Jun-15-07 03:19 AM   #21 
        - Not your easiest to parse paragraph Febble....  althecat   Jun-15-07 04:55 AM   #23 
           - why are "city exit poll numbers" the "real issue"?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 07:30 AM   #26 
           - Well, I'd  Febble   Jun-15-07 09:25 AM   #27 
              - Anyway...  althecat   Jun-15-07 03:42 PM   #28 
              - Well, it would probably  Febble   Jun-15-07 05:12 PM   #29 
                 - Well Febble thats great....  althecat   Jun-15-07 08:40 PM   #34 
                    - Well, if it  Febble   Jun-16-07 01:35 AM   #48 
                    - Just looked at some of your  Febble   Jun-16-07 02:03 AM   #49 
                       - There is a simple solution.  althecat   Jun-16-07 03:39 AM   #54 
                       - That is not true  Febble   Jun-16-07 03:56 AM   #56 
                       - Rebuttal....  althecat   Jun-16-07 03:53 AM   #55 
                          - It has everything to do with  Febble   Jun-16-07 04:24 AM   #57 
                             - Further discussion...  althecat   Jun-16-07 04:48 AM   #60 
                                - OK  Febble   Jun-16-07 05:02 AM   #62 
                                - Further response  Febble   Jun-16-07 09:50 AM   #67 
                                   - A General Point: This study is not concerned with WPE - Within Precinct Error  althecat   Jun-16-07 07:34 PM   #80 
                                      - Well,  Febble   Jun-17-07 10:37 AM   #95 
                                         - Thankyou... lots of useful info there....  althecat   Jun-18-07 02:32 PM   #119 
                                            - Well, it's extremely informative data  Febble   Jun-18-07 02:47 PM   #121 
                                            - Will do....  althecat   Jun-18-07 04:25 PM   #134 
              - The issue of the OP is not the large discrepancy--  eridani   Jun-15-07 07:08 PM   #31 
                 - I am aware of that  Febble   Jun-16-07 02:53 AM   #51 
                    - But a 66% increase in urban turnout vs actual turnout of 16%?  eridani   Jun-16-07 04:46 AM   #59 
                       - Well, I think  Febble   Jun-16-07 05:04 AM   #63 
                          - What about the direction of the error?  eridani   Jun-16-07 12:26 PM   #71 
                             - Sampling error would  Febble   Jun-16-07 12:30 PM   #72 
                                - Could you lay out a simplified model--  eridani   Jun-16-07 04:21 PM   #73 
                                   - Well,  Febble   Jun-16-07 06:22 PM   #76 
                                      - For N = 20, I get STDEV = 0.348  eridani   Jun-16-07 11:49 PM   #83 
                                         - Well, the problem is  Febble   Jun-17-07 01:50 AM   #86 
                                            - So, why is the poll designed with too many precincts from small states?  eridani   Jun-17-07 04:33 AM   #89 
                                               - I don't quite understand your question  Febble   Jun-17-07 04:57 AM   #90 
                                               - You are intuitively asking exactly the right question!  Sancho   Jun-17-07 06:34 AM   #92 
                                               - And yet you do not  Febble   Jun-17-07 08:51 AM   #93 
                                               - The "heroic methods" are obvious and I've stated them before...short list...  Sancho   Jun-17-07 10:33 AM   #94 
                                               - I'm sorry, Sancho  Febble   Jun-17-07 11:05 AM   #96 
                                               - this gobblebegook...  Sancho   Jun-17-07 12:06 PM   #97 
                                               - Of course  Febble   Jun-17-07 12:35 PM   #98 
                                               - well, I'm puzzled about cost  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-17-07 01:41 PM   #101 
                                               - ah....the comments of the expected!  Sancho   Jun-17-07 06:05 PM   #106 
                                               - hey, whatever  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-17-07 06:40 PM   #107 
                                               - we agree to disagree...  Sancho   Jun-17-07 06:45 PM   #108 
                                               - How does  Febble   Jun-18-07 01:41 AM   #112 
                                               - Again...you're simply wrong  Sancho   Jun-18-07 05:58 PM   #140 
                                               - What do you mean  Febble   Jun-19-07 02:00 AM   #144 
                                               - Why, in 50 years of election polling--  eridani   Jun-17-07 09:48 PM   #110 
                                               - Two reasons...  Sancho   Jun-18-07 06:00 PM   #141 
                                               - What I want to know is if Mitofsky is supposed to be a leading pro inthe field--  eridani   Jun-17-07 09:46 PM   #109 
                                               - Well I think that  Febble   Jun-18-07 01:33 AM   #111 
                                               - You said it!  Sancho   Jun-18-07 06:25 PM   #143 
        - to interpret your post slightly differently  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 05:36 AM   #24 
           - Internal inconsistency points to fraud  eridani   Jun-15-07 07:02 PM   #30 
           - so, it's last year's argument  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 09:03 PM   #35 
              - Without a real investigation, how could you tell?  eridani   Jun-15-07 09:29 PM   #38 
                 - oh no, we're going in circles  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 09:44 PM   #40 
                    - Snohomish County, WA would have been a great start  eridani   Jun-15-07 10:19 PM   #45 
                       - well, maybe  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 09:03 AM   #66 
                          - It's like a dead body in your back yard  eridani   Jun-16-07 12:22 PM   #70 
                             - Found a dead body chuck it in the Research Thread....  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:41 PM   #105 
           - Have you looked? Would you know how?  althecat   Jun-15-07 07:22 PM   #32 
           - yes; have you?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 09:06 PM   #36 
              - When you find your answer please find a new rejoinder...  althecat   Jun-15-07 09:53 PM   #43 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-07 07:39 PM   #33 
           - what a dreadful post  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 09:13 PM   #37 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-07 09:52 PM   #42 
           - I think it's more looking ONLY at statistics--  eridani   Jun-15-07 09:43 PM   #39 
           - I would be happy to engage  Febble   Jun-16-07 03:02 AM   #52 
              - Ok how about this for a starting point....  althecat   Jun-16-07 03:35 AM   #53 
                 - I found it interesting  Febble   Jun-16-07 04:46 AM   #58 
                    - Interesting... I will answer this further in the morning. Finally some progress.  althecat   Jun-16-07 04:51 AM   #61 
                    - OK, see you tomorrow n/t  Febble   Jun-16-07 05:05 AM   #64 
                    - Further discussion....  althecat   Jun-16-07 07:22 PM   #79 
                       - OK  Febble   Jun-17-07 03:22 AM   #87 
                          - Ok lets look at the actual returns and see what we find...  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:10 AM   #88 
           - This is what I think he means  freedom fighter jh   Jun-17-07 12:56 PM   #99 
              - here's the problem in this context  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-17-07 01:15 PM   #100 
        - I agree...  Sancho   Jun-18-07 06:09 PM   #142 
           - Well, let me clarify:  Febble   Jun-19-07 03:42 PM   #147 
  - What happened to the analysis of number of rural votes?  Awsi Dooger   Jun-15-07 04:02 AM   #22 
  - good questions  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 06:24 AM   #25 
     - Ok in CAPITALS so the extremely dim can understand  althecat   Jun-15-07 09:49 PM   #41 
        - is this your final answer?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 10:17 PM   #44 
           - I love it... as predicted you take the answer and misrepresent it.....  althecat   Jun-15-07 10:30 PM   #46 
           - I don't think you are accurately representing the OP  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 04:24 PM   #74 
           - As promised OTOH - your questions...  althecat   Jun-15-07 10:38 PM   #47 
              - "Why do exit poll analysis skeptics in DU hunt in packs?"  btmlndfrmr   Jun-16-07 02:04 AM   #50 
              - actually, since you mention it  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 06:38 AM   #65 
                 - It was tongue in cheek.  btmlndfrmr   Jun-16-07 11:58 AM   #68 
                    - Bless you. n/t  Febble   Jun-16-07 12:03 PM   #69 
              - OK  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 04:46 PM   #75 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-16-07 07:04 PM   #77 
                    - no, there isn't  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 07:15 PM   #78 
                       - Lord knows where that statistic comes from....  althecat   Jun-16-07 07:55 PM   #81 
                          - hmm... where did I get New York City election returns?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 09:15 PM   #82 
                             - Lets have a closer look at those returns now then OTOH and see what they show  althecat   Jun-16-07 11:57 PM   #84 
                             - NYC Bush Vote 2000 375k ----> 2004 Vote 561k + 50%  althecat   Jun-17-07 12:16 AM   #85 
                                - in other words, you concede that I was right  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-17-07 06:14 AM   #91 
                                   - ....  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:34 PM   #102 
                                   - I wish this post was worth reading... n/t  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:35 PM   #103 
                                   - Yet I know in advance it won't be. How can this be? n/t  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:38 PM   #104 
                                      - OP: "We're supposed to believe... 153% increase"  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 05:08 AM   #113 
                                         - I really do not know what you are doing in this forum OTOH.... n/t  althecat   Jun-18-07 05:17 AM   #114 
                                            - I'm presenting facts. You? n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 06:02 AM   #115 
                                               - Just for the sake of disclosure...  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 02:00 PM   #116 
                                                  - Oh for pete's sake....  Febble   Jun-18-07 02:26 PM   #117 
                                                  - Sure you do.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 02:30 PM   #118 
                                                  - Of course it's not an answer  Febble   Jun-18-07 02:46 PM   #120 
                                                  - Nice try.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 03:07 PM   #122 
                                                  - Disgusting.  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-18-07 03:08 PM   #123 
                                                  - Tough.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 03:14 PM   #124 
                                                  - Thx, Eugene.  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-18-07 03:27 PM   #125 
                                                  - Did you mis-post?  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 03:34 PM   #126 
                                                  - No.  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-18-07 03:40 PM   #127 
                                                  - The tag-team rapid-response war-room crew  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 04:10 PM   #128 
                                                  - Suggest Med-Review.  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-18-07 04:11 PM   #129 
                                                  - You do that.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 04:14 PM   #130 
                                                  - probably  Febble   Jun-18-07 04:16 PM   #131 
                                                  - I'm seeking one fact now.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 04:21 PM   #132 
                                                  - are you now or have you ever been an inquisitor?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 04:22 PM   #133 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-07 05:17 PM   #135 
                                                  - you had others?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 05:25 PM   #136 
                                                  - Yes, I did have others. Who did you vote for in 2000, 2004, 2006?  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 05:32 PM   #137 
                                                  - you could ask autorank -- I already told him  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 05:40 PM   #138 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-07 05:42 PM   #139 
                                                  - It's arguable that Rick Brady is a conservative.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 02:33 PM   #145 
                                                  - Rick Brady is a Republican  Febble   Jun-19-07 02:55 PM   #146 
                                                  - Well,  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 03:52 PM   #148 
                                                  - And your point is.....? n/t  Febble   Jun-19-07 03:57 PM   #149 
                                                  - It matters who you choose to work with.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 04:06 PM   #152 
                                                  - You seem  Febble   Jun-19-07 04:48 PM   #155 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-07 03:59 PM   #150 
                                                  - What the hell do you mean?  Febble   Jun-19-07 04:01 PM   #151 
                                                  - Have you recommended today's ERD?  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 04:51 PM   #156 
                                                  - "Extreme right-winger"  Febble   Jun-19-07 05:10 PM   #157 
                                                  - He's an ardent supporter of George W. Bush.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 05:48 PM   #158 
                                                  - And you,  Febble   Jun-19-07 05:59 PM   #160 
                                                  - I've thought about it every day for ten years.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 06:06 PM   #162 
                                                  - Exactly  Febble   Jun-19-07 06:07 PM   #163 
                                                  - I hold no trust in you.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 06:29 PM   #167 
                                                  - you are presuming on Febble's fairness  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 06:03 PM   #161 
                                                  - I'd have to know more details.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 06:17 PM   #166 
                                                  - so, NOW you're ready to discuss substance?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 07:04 PM   #168 
                                                  - Now I'm ready to take a shower and then make dinner.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 07:12 PM   #169 
                                                  - well, you might try to convince SOMEONE  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 07:21 PM   #170 
                                                  - OTOH if you really want the answer why don't you do the work? n/t  althecat   Jun-19-07 07:48 PM   #172 
                                                  - but, al...  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 07:57 PM   #174 
                                                  - So you have already done the numbers then?  althecat   Jun-20-07 12:04 AM   #179 
                                                  - I once visited a universe where...  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-20-07 12:56 AM   #180 
                                                  - I didn't ask you I asked OTOH...  althecat   Jun-20-07 01:45 AM   #181 
                                                  - THIS WORK.... FILL IN THE GAPS PLEASE.. (& Febble you can help too)  althecat   Jun-19-07 07:58 PM   #175 
                                                  - well, I'm criticizing the wisdom in a blatant derail  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 05:58 PM   #159 
                                                  - Yes, after these past few years,  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 06:08 PM   #164 
                                                  - Meaning?  Febble   Jun-19-07 06:10 PM   #165 
                                                  - ROFLMHO  althecat   Jun-19-07 07:41 PM   #171 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-07 04:14 PM   #153 
                                                     - Thank you.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 04:46 PM   #154 
                                                     - What on earth are you talking about?  althecat   Jun-19-07 07:57 PM   #173 
                                                     - Bev Dudley, you mean.  foo_bar   Jun-21-07 06:14 PM   #185 
                                                     - As for me...  anaxarchos   Jun-19-07 08:32 PM   #176 
                                                     - kewl, I got anax to post on his own thread  foo_bar   Jun-19-07 10:31 PM   #177 
                                                     - There was no 4ever implied there...  anaxarchos   Jun-19-07 11:32 PM   #178 
                                                     - so we're not amused?  foo_bar   Jun-20-07 04:53 PM   #182 
                                                     - You got me! I dun it! And I'd do it agin'  galloglas   Jun-20-07 10:20 PM   #183 
                                                     - anax can defend his research without coaching from the roleplaying fantasy squad  foo_bar   Jun-21-07 06:13 PM   #184 
                                                     - No more qwezshunts!  galloglas   Jun-21-07 06:38 PM   #186 
                                                     - Sooch a sad dayen!  Kurovski   Jun-21-07 07:18 PM   #187 
                                                     - "You talk to me of nationality, language, religion. I shall try to fly by those nets."  foo_bar   Jun-21-07 07:47 PM   #188 
                                                     - O'Driscoll  galloglas   Jun-21-07 10:53 PM   #189 
                                                     - and what slough bleats? this hour, comrade o'glas  foo_bar   Jun-22-07 07:00 AM   #190 
                                                     - I write it in a verse -  galloglas   Jun-22-07 08:02 AM   #191 
  - Kick.  Kurovski   Jun-22-07 03:46 PM   #192 
  - Kick for a Sunday afternoon.  Kurovski   Jun-24-07 04:00 PM   #193 
  - Kick.  Kurovski   Jul-02-07 05:02 PM   #194 
  - Exit Polls SUCK! Get over it! nt  Bill Bored   Jul-02-07 06:50 PM   #195 
  - KICK.NT  kster   Jul-03-07 02:34 AM   #196 
  - kick  kster   Jul-11-07 04:04 AM   #197 
  - so, any clue what this research means?  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-11-07 05:27 AM   #198 
  - No Clue?  BeFree   Aug-18-07 06:10 PM   #207 
     - personally  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-18-07 09:59 PM   #208 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Jul-11-07 08:26 PM   #199 
  - Incoming.  Kurovski   Jul-29-07 12:26 AM   #200 
  - Is that Tippy Hedrin in "The Birds"?  autorank   Aug-01-07 12:02 AM   #201 
     - ....watcha talkin about willis...  althecat   Aug-02-07 12:42 AM   #202 
     - .... kaboom....  althecat   Aug-02-07 04:45 AM   #203 
     - What a lot of equipment it takes  galloglas   Aug-02-07 09:10 AM   #204 
     - Yes, it's Miss Tippi. From "The Birds".  Kurovski   Aug-04-07 05:16 PM   #205 
  - K (nt)  Kurovski   Aug-15-07 01:06 PM   #206 
  - If networks had nothing to hide, they would give Conyers the raw exit polls  McCamy Taylor   Aug-22-07 04:48 PM   #209 
  - Wow, look at all those views of this thread.  bleever   Aug-23-07 09:42 PM   #210 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Sep-06-07 09:24 AM   #211 
  - K*R History Review - It could & did happen here.  autorank   Sep-06-07 11:49 PM   #212 
  - Getting close to four figures......  althecat   Sep-06-07 11:55 PM   #213 
  - Kick for the upcoming primaries...  autorank   Oct-09-07 02:17 PM   #214 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Nov-15-07 12:25 PM   #215 
  - K  Kurovski   Dec-28-07 08:29 AM   #216 
  - Kickety kick  FogerRox   Dec-28-07 11:06 AM   #217 
  - Kick  autorank   Jan-11-08 12:06 AM   #218 
  - Thanks for kicking this into view.. I've never read the whole thing !  K Gardner   Jan-11-08 12:36 AM   #219 
     - You're welcome.  autorank   Jan-11-08 02:58 AM   #220 
     - so, can you explain what you think it means?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-11-08 06:40 AM   #223 
        - Not yet, I *still* haven't read the whole thing.. printed it out so I can  K Gardner   Jan-11-08 10:28 AM   #224 
           - Don't mind OTOH.  Kurovski   Jan-12-08 11:01 AM   #226 
           - kicking an incoherent OP is "mystical"?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-12-08 11:37 AM   #227 
           - Mystical ?? By Gad, you're right !!  galloglas   Jan-13-08 01:53 AM   #229 
              - You are very, very, very, very, very, very, very  Kurovski   Jan-13-08 02:08 PM   #231 
           - seriously  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-13-08 06:34 AM   #230 
  - K&R!!!  Stevepol   Jan-11-08 04:07 AM   #221 
  - Our "portal" to the other side.  Kurovski   Jan-11-08 04:58 AM   #222 
  - It's alive...  autorank   Jan-12-08 04:41 AM   #225 
     - ...with pleasure!  Kurovski   Jan-12-08 10:34 PM   #228 
  - *  Kurovski   Feb-08-08 01:04 PM   #232 
  - It never stops.  autorank   Mar-08-08 09:15 PM   #234 
  - Kick  autorank   Mar-31-08 01:56 AM   #236 
  - Kick.  Kurovski   Apr-12-08 01:18 AM   #237 
  - K. (nt)  Kurovski   May-06-08 08:51 PM   #238 
  - KNT  Kurovski   Jul-27-08 06:06 PM   #239 
  - "Thirty days to another election" kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Oct-05-08 04:26 PM   #240 
  - Changed title as My Forums seems to be functioning ok again  althecat   Oct-08-08 12:30 AM   #241 
     - You're up late  autorank   Oct-09-08 11:22 AM   #242 
     - Late? Yeah.  BeFree   Oct-09-08 11:29 AM   #243 
     - Hi, Al!  Kurovski   Oct-18-08 03:31 PM   #244 
        - That reminds me of this story about how banking is like a box of chocolates...  althecat   Oct-18-08 04:27 PM   #245 
           - The moral of the story is clear...  Kurovski   Oct-18-08 04:49 PM   #246 
  - There's an old adage.....  USofFascism   Oct-22-08 10:35 AM   #247 
  - "Two words: Bill and Ayers"  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-22-08 12:39 PM   #248 
     - Freeman  USofFascism   Oct-22-08 05:53 PM   #249 
        - your pattern of distraction and evasion continues  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-22-08 06:22 PM   #250 
           - Did you speak out against the contras?  USofFascism   Oct-22-08 07:14 PM   #251 
              - yes, I did, for what it's worth  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-22-08 07:34 PM   #252 
                 - It's worth something  USofFascism   Oct-22-08 10:33 PM   #253 
                 - thanks for identifying yourself  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-23-08 06:07 AM   #256 
                    - Thank You  DoNotLie   Oct-23-08 05:56 PM   #257 
                       - Leo has told me that Bozos gets confused  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-23-08 07:18 PM   #258 
                          - Thanks for the dialogue and bit of closure  DoNotLie   Oct-23-08 08:12 PM   #259 
                             - oops  DoNotLie   Oct-23-08 08:25 PM   #260 
                 - You know this post is really revealing....  althecat   Oct-23-08 04:09 AM   #254 
                    - no, I didn't say that at all  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-23-08 05:59 AM   #255 
                       - Who Is really in charge? Is it Burch, Kimberlin, and Rivero?  uwilllosedu   Oct-24-08 05:23 AM   #261 
  - locking  Wickerman   Oct-24-08 11:10 AM   #262 
 

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