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Response to Reply #101
106. ah....the comments of the expected!
# 3 is OLD HAT....let's see, you have a $200 video camera at the polling station that records the incoming cars' plates...been there, done that...with HS students. Now you pay someone for minimum wage to spend a day looking up license plates? .....no $'s involved. Same video records number of voters, race, etc. going in the booth. Is that the same as the voter registrations? What if 30% of the black voters disappear in reported results? Caging?

Ethics:

What is the point of pollsters and predictions (going back to Walter C. in 1952 who first used the term "computer" on a national television broadcast to predict an election!)? Accurate prediction, early "calls", NEWS! The ethics is finding and reporting the truth.

If the pollsters are really wanting the news as ethical truth, then they are actually in the mainstream! What would be more "interesting" than finding a fixed election, caging problem, or disputed election!? Shades of Paris Hilton! Headline in Podunck, America: "Cheating on elections proven!" That is worth some dollars.

I really don't care who does it, and I suspect that contracting all the "pollsters" into one company may be a mistake. SOMEONE needs to be prepared to plan to answer all the questions that TIA and friends continue to broadcast. I think that exit polls could (at the least) provide enough evidence to cause an election to be challenged. If designed correctly, exit polls could provide evidence of manipulation beyond a simple challenge.

Hypothetical:
Let's say that in Sarasota, FL (or Cleveland, etc.), at NOON there were already reports of machine errors and complaints of misrecorded votes. EM flys into action and tells the class of students at the University of Florida political science class that volunteered and were previously trained by EM by CD (video) to jump in vans and visit 20 of 55 precincts in the questionable voting district and gather as many interviews a possible. Voters have already been informed of the EM/UF study to get to the bottom of the machine issues as public announcements in the local paper.

The student volunteers collect 50% to 70% of voters as exit polls (a total of over 500 interviews) in the 20 precincts between 3 and 8 PM. The undervote and number of voters and party line votes for 8 of 10 precincts are statistically impossible for the data collected and the offical results! All the volunteer students swear in court that they collected the data honestly. Meanwhile, over 50% of the "on-line" reports from the same district also disagree with the reported results. Finally, there are 7 video recordings of specific voters claiming their vote was miscounted by the stupid machine shown on tv shown the night of the election. None suggest they were confused. All 7 report the machine refuse to record their vote. Cost: 20 students get extra credit and a "B" in a course. Value: Priceless!
Results: A judge orders an investigation and the machines held in a safe. The election in investigated the next day.

That is a LOT different than 3 years later some experts disagreeing about if the machines worked or didn't....and it all starts with being prepared to do heroic exit polls. Now repeat that scene in 50 states all over the country....hmmmm....I work in a building adjacent to one of the most advanced journalism programs in the world that includes a national center for ethics. Not my field, but sometimes things run over into my direction...I can's speak for them, but I'd guess what they would say...
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  -Scoop & Autorank: Michael Collins Full Report - "Election 2004: The Urban Legend" althecat  Jun-13-07 04:25 AM   #0 
  - GD Cross Post Is here... ERD plz knr the GD version  althecat   Jun-13-07 04:27 AM   #1 
  - KR.nt  kster   Jun-13-07 04:57 PM   #2 
  - Hey, think we need tighter election procedures?  autorank   Jun-13-07 07:22 PM   #4 
  - Bravo, Collins and Scoop.  bleever   Jun-13-07 06:20 PM   #3 
  - Charles Cook on exit polls  Febble   Jun-14-07 02:33 AM   #5 
  - Good grief, don't you guys ever stop your  kster   Jun-14-07 02:49 AM   #6 
  - Do you ever  Febble   Jun-14-07 03:41 AM   #7 
  - Absolutely, I always like to hear what people from other countries have to say ..nt  kster   Jun-14-07 03:51 AM   #8 
  - Nope,the gatekeepers must persevere or else ...  maryallen   Feb-09-08 12:45 PM   #233 
     - hahahahahahaha  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-09-08 06:32 AM   #235 
  - I agree to a great extent...  Sancho   Jun-14-07 07:05 AM   #9 
     - why don't you?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-14-07 07:26 AM   #10 
     - Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.  Sancho   Jun-14-07 08:31 AM   #12 
        - Firstly  Febble   Jun-14-07 08:49 AM   #13 
        - I agree to a great extent...  Sancho   Jun-14-07 06:16 PM   #15 
           - "Why not?"?  Febble   Jun-15-07 01:38 AM   #19 
        - then don't  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-14-07 09:17 AM   #14 
           - This is where you are wrong.  Sancho   Jun-14-07 07:02 PM   #16 
              - no, I don't think so  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-14-07 08:13 PM   #17 
     - Sancho, it doesn't sound to me  Febble   Jun-14-07 08:08 AM   #11 
        - "mandatory random manual audits would be a much better way than exit polls of indicating whether  troubleinwinter   Jun-14-07 11:16 PM   #18 
        - The OP is making an entirely different argument  eridani   Jun-15-07 02:11 AM   #20 
        - No, I am aware that it is a different argument  Febble   Jun-15-07 03:19 AM   #21 
        - Not your easiest to parse paragraph Febble....  althecat   Jun-15-07 04:55 AM   #23 
           - why are "city exit poll numbers" the "real issue"?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 07:30 AM   #26 
           - Well, I'd  Febble   Jun-15-07 09:25 AM   #27 
              - Anyway...  althecat   Jun-15-07 03:42 PM   #28 
              - Well, it would probably  Febble   Jun-15-07 05:12 PM   #29 
                 - Well Febble thats great....  althecat   Jun-15-07 08:40 PM   #34 
                    - Well, if it  Febble   Jun-16-07 01:35 AM   #48 
                    - Just looked at some of your  Febble   Jun-16-07 02:03 AM   #49 
                       - There is a simple solution.  althecat   Jun-16-07 03:39 AM   #54 
                       - That is not true  Febble   Jun-16-07 03:56 AM   #56 
                       - Rebuttal....  althecat   Jun-16-07 03:53 AM   #55 
                          - It has everything to do with  Febble   Jun-16-07 04:24 AM   #57 
                             - Further discussion...  althecat   Jun-16-07 04:48 AM   #60 
                                - OK  Febble   Jun-16-07 05:02 AM   #62 
                                - Further response  Febble   Jun-16-07 09:50 AM   #67 
                                   - A General Point: This study is not concerned with WPE - Within Precinct Error  althecat   Jun-16-07 07:34 PM   #80 
                                      - Well,  Febble   Jun-17-07 10:37 AM   #95 
                                         - Thankyou... lots of useful info there....  althecat   Jun-18-07 02:32 PM   #119 
                                            - Well, it's extremely informative data  Febble   Jun-18-07 02:47 PM   #121 
                                            - Will do....  althecat   Jun-18-07 04:25 PM   #134 
              - The issue of the OP is not the large discrepancy--  eridani   Jun-15-07 07:08 PM   #31 
                 - I am aware of that  Febble   Jun-16-07 02:53 AM   #51 
                    - But a 66% increase in urban turnout vs actual turnout of 16%?  eridani   Jun-16-07 04:46 AM   #59 
                       - Well, I think  Febble   Jun-16-07 05:04 AM   #63 
                          - What about the direction of the error?  eridani   Jun-16-07 12:26 PM   #71 
                             - Sampling error would  Febble   Jun-16-07 12:30 PM   #72 
                                - Could you lay out a simplified model--  eridani   Jun-16-07 04:21 PM   #73 
                                   - Well,  Febble   Jun-16-07 06:22 PM   #76 
                                      - For N = 20, I get STDEV = 0.348  eridani   Jun-16-07 11:49 PM   #83 
                                         - Well, the problem is  Febble   Jun-17-07 01:50 AM   #86 
                                            - So, why is the poll designed with too many precincts from small states?  eridani   Jun-17-07 04:33 AM   #89 
                                               - I don't quite understand your question  Febble   Jun-17-07 04:57 AM   #90 
                                               - You are intuitively asking exactly the right question!  Sancho   Jun-17-07 06:34 AM   #92 
                                               - And yet you do not  Febble   Jun-17-07 08:51 AM   #93 
                                               - The "heroic methods" are obvious and I've stated them before...short list...  Sancho   Jun-17-07 10:33 AM   #94 
                                               - I'm sorry, Sancho  Febble   Jun-17-07 11:05 AM   #96 
                                               - this gobblebegook...  Sancho   Jun-17-07 12:06 PM   #97 
                                               - Of course  Febble   Jun-17-07 12:35 PM   #98 
                                               - well, I'm puzzled about cost  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-17-07 01:41 PM   #101 
                                               - ah....the comments of the expected!  Sancho   Jun-17-07 06:05 PM   #106 
                                               - hey, whatever  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-17-07 06:40 PM   #107 
                                               - we agree to disagree...  Sancho   Jun-17-07 06:45 PM   #108 
                                               - How does  Febble   Jun-18-07 01:41 AM   #112 
                                               - Again...you're simply wrong  Sancho   Jun-18-07 05:58 PM   #140 
                                               - What do you mean  Febble   Jun-19-07 02:00 AM   #144 
                                               - Why, in 50 years of election polling--  eridani   Jun-17-07 09:48 PM   #110 
                                               - Two reasons...  Sancho   Jun-18-07 06:00 PM   #141 
                                               - What I want to know is if Mitofsky is supposed to be a leading pro inthe field--  eridani   Jun-17-07 09:46 PM   #109 
                                               - Well I think that  Febble   Jun-18-07 01:33 AM   #111 
                                               - You said it!  Sancho   Jun-18-07 06:25 PM   #143 
        - to interpret your post slightly differently  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 05:36 AM   #24 
           - Internal inconsistency points to fraud  eridani   Jun-15-07 07:02 PM   #30 
           - so, it's last year's argument  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 09:03 PM   #35 
              - Without a real investigation, how could you tell?  eridani   Jun-15-07 09:29 PM   #38 
                 - oh no, we're going in circles  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 09:44 PM   #40 
                    - Snohomish County, WA would have been a great start  eridani   Jun-15-07 10:19 PM   #45 
                       - well, maybe  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 09:03 AM   #66 
                          - It's like a dead body in your back yard  eridani   Jun-16-07 12:22 PM   #70 
                             - Found a dead body chuck it in the Research Thread....  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:41 PM   #105 
           - Have you looked? Would you know how?  althecat   Jun-15-07 07:22 PM   #32 
           - yes; have you?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 09:06 PM   #36 
              - When you find your answer please find a new rejoinder...  althecat   Jun-15-07 09:53 PM   #43 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-07 07:39 PM   #33 
           - what a dreadful post  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 09:13 PM   #37 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-07 09:52 PM   #42 
           - I think it's more looking ONLY at statistics--  eridani   Jun-15-07 09:43 PM   #39 
           - I would be happy to engage  Febble   Jun-16-07 03:02 AM   #52 
              - Ok how about this for a starting point....  althecat   Jun-16-07 03:35 AM   #53 
                 - I found it interesting  Febble   Jun-16-07 04:46 AM   #58 
                    - Interesting... I will answer this further in the morning. Finally some progress.  althecat   Jun-16-07 04:51 AM   #61 
                    - OK, see you tomorrow n/t  Febble   Jun-16-07 05:05 AM   #64 
                    - Further discussion....  althecat   Jun-16-07 07:22 PM   #79 
                       - OK  Febble   Jun-17-07 03:22 AM   #87 
                          - Ok lets look at the actual returns and see what we find...  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:10 AM   #88 
           - This is what I think he means  freedom fighter jh   Jun-17-07 12:56 PM   #99 
              - here's the problem in this context  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-17-07 01:15 PM   #100 
        - I agree...  Sancho   Jun-18-07 06:09 PM   #142 
           - Well, let me clarify:  Febble   Jun-19-07 03:42 PM   #147 
  - What happened to the analysis of number of rural votes?  Awsi Dooger   Jun-15-07 04:02 AM   #22 
  - good questions  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 06:24 AM   #25 
     - Ok in CAPITALS so the extremely dim can understand  althecat   Jun-15-07 09:49 PM   #41 
        - is this your final answer?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-15-07 10:17 PM   #44 
           - I love it... as predicted you take the answer and misrepresent it.....  althecat   Jun-15-07 10:30 PM   #46 
           - I don't think you are accurately representing the OP  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 04:24 PM   #74 
           - As promised OTOH - your questions...  althecat   Jun-15-07 10:38 PM   #47 
              - "Why do exit poll analysis skeptics in DU hunt in packs?"  btmlndfrmr   Jun-16-07 02:04 AM   #50 
              - actually, since you mention it  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 06:38 AM   #65 
                 - It was tongue in cheek.  btmlndfrmr   Jun-16-07 11:58 AM   #68 
                    - Bless you. n/t  Febble   Jun-16-07 12:03 PM   #69 
              - OK  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 04:46 PM   #75 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-16-07 07:04 PM   #77 
                    - no, there isn't  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 07:15 PM   #78 
                       - Lord knows where that statistic comes from....  althecat   Jun-16-07 07:55 PM   #81 
                          - hmm... where did I get New York City election returns?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-16-07 09:15 PM   #82 
                             - Lets have a closer look at those returns now then OTOH and see what they show  althecat   Jun-16-07 11:57 PM   #84 
                             - NYC Bush Vote 2000 375k ----> 2004 Vote 561k + 50%  althecat   Jun-17-07 12:16 AM   #85 
                                - in other words, you concede that I was right  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-17-07 06:14 AM   #91 
                                   - ....  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:34 PM   #102 
                                   - I wish this post was worth reading... n/t  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:35 PM   #103 
                                   - Yet I know in advance it won't be. How can this be? n/t  althecat   Jun-17-07 04:38 PM   #104 
                                      - OP: "We're supposed to believe... 153% increase"  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 05:08 AM   #113 
                                         - I really do not know what you are doing in this forum OTOH.... n/t  althecat   Jun-18-07 05:17 AM   #114 
                                            - I'm presenting facts. You? n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 06:02 AM   #115 
                                               - Just for the sake of disclosure...  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 02:00 PM   #116 
                                                  - Oh for pete's sake....  Febble   Jun-18-07 02:26 PM   #117 
                                                  - Sure you do.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 02:30 PM   #118 
                                                  - Of course it's not an answer  Febble   Jun-18-07 02:46 PM   #120 
                                                  - Nice try.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 03:07 PM   #122 
                                                  - Disgusting.  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-18-07 03:08 PM   #123 
                                                  - Tough.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 03:14 PM   #124 
                                                  - Thx, Eugene.  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-18-07 03:27 PM   #125 
                                                  - Did you mis-post?  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 03:34 PM   #126 
                                                  - No.  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-18-07 03:40 PM   #127 
                                                  - The tag-team rapid-response war-room crew  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 04:10 PM   #128 
                                                  - Suggest Med-Review.  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-18-07 04:11 PM   #129 
                                                  - You do that.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 04:14 PM   #130 
                                                  - probably  Febble   Jun-18-07 04:16 PM   #131 
                                                  - I'm seeking one fact now.  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 04:21 PM   #132 
                                                  - are you now or have you ever been an inquisitor?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 04:22 PM   #133 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-07 05:17 PM   #135 
                                                  - you had others?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 05:25 PM   #136 
                                                  - Yes, I did have others. Who did you vote for in 2000, 2004, 2006?  Kurovski   Jun-18-07 05:32 PM   #137 
                                                  - you could ask autorank -- I already told him  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-07 05:40 PM   #138 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-07 05:42 PM   #139 
                                                  - It's arguable that Rick Brady is a conservative.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 02:33 PM   #145 
                                                  - Rick Brady is a Republican  Febble   Jun-19-07 02:55 PM   #146 
                                                  - Well,  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 03:52 PM   #148 
                                                  - And your point is.....? n/t  Febble   Jun-19-07 03:57 PM   #149 
                                                  - It matters who you choose to work with.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 04:06 PM   #152 
                                                  - You seem  Febble   Jun-19-07 04:48 PM   #155 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-07 03:59 PM   #150 
                                                  - What the hell do you mean?  Febble   Jun-19-07 04:01 PM   #151 
                                                  - Have you recommended today's ERD?  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 04:51 PM   #156 
                                                  - "Extreme right-winger"  Febble   Jun-19-07 05:10 PM   #157 
                                                  - He's an ardent supporter of George W. Bush.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 05:48 PM   #158 
                                                  - And you,  Febble   Jun-19-07 05:59 PM   #160 
                                                  - I've thought about it every day for ten years.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 06:06 PM   #162 
                                                  - Exactly  Febble   Jun-19-07 06:07 PM   #163 
                                                  - I hold no trust in you.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 06:29 PM   #167 
                                                  - you are presuming on Febble's fairness  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 06:03 PM   #161 
                                                  - I'd have to know more details.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 06:17 PM   #166 
                                                  - so, NOW you're ready to discuss substance?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 07:04 PM   #168 
                                                  - Now I'm ready to take a shower and then make dinner.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 07:12 PM   #169 
                                                  - well, you might try to convince SOMEONE  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 07:21 PM   #170 
                                                  - OTOH if you really want the answer why don't you do the work? n/t  althecat   Jun-19-07 07:48 PM   #172 
                                                  - but, al...  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 07:57 PM   #174 
                                                  - So you have already done the numbers then?  althecat   Jun-20-07 12:04 AM   #179 
                                                  - I once visited a universe where...  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-20-07 12:56 AM   #180 
                                                  - I didn't ask you I asked OTOH...  althecat   Jun-20-07 01:45 AM   #181 
                                                  - THIS WORK.... FILL IN THE GAPS PLEASE.. (& Febble you can help too)  althecat   Jun-19-07 07:58 PM   #175 
                                                  - well, I'm criticizing the wisdom in a blatant derail  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-19-07 05:58 PM   #159 
                                                  - Yes, after these past few years,  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 06:08 PM   #164 
                                                  - Meaning?  Febble   Jun-19-07 06:10 PM   #165 
                                                  - ROFLMHO  althecat   Jun-19-07 07:41 PM   #171 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-07 04:14 PM   #153 
                                                     - Thank you.  Kurovski   Jun-19-07 04:46 PM   #154 
                                                     - What on earth are you talking about?  althecat   Jun-19-07 07:57 PM   #173 
                                                     - Bev Dudley, you mean.  foo_bar   Jun-21-07 06:14 PM   #185 
                                                     - As for me...  anaxarchos   Jun-19-07 08:32 PM   #176 
                                                     - kewl, I got anax to post on his own thread  foo_bar   Jun-19-07 10:31 PM   #177 
                                                     - There was no 4ever implied there...  anaxarchos   Jun-19-07 11:32 PM   #178 
                                                     - so we're not amused?  foo_bar   Jun-20-07 04:53 PM   #182 
                                                     - You got me! I dun it! And I'd do it agin'  galloglas   Jun-20-07 10:20 PM   #183 
                                                     - anax can defend his research without coaching from the roleplaying fantasy squad  foo_bar   Jun-21-07 06:13 PM   #184 
                                                     - No more qwezshunts!  galloglas   Jun-21-07 06:38 PM   #186 
                                                     - Sooch a sad dayen!  Kurovski   Jun-21-07 07:18 PM   #187 
                                                     - "You talk to me of nationality, language, religion. I shall try to fly by those nets."  foo_bar   Jun-21-07 07:47 PM   #188 
                                                     - O'Driscoll  galloglas   Jun-21-07 10:53 PM   #189 
                                                     - and what slough bleats? this hour, comrade o'glas  foo_bar   Jun-22-07 07:00 AM   #190 
                                                     - I write it in a verse -  galloglas   Jun-22-07 08:02 AM   #191 
  - Kick.  Kurovski   Jun-22-07 03:46 PM   #192 
  - Kick for a Sunday afternoon.  Kurovski   Jun-24-07 04:00 PM   #193 
  - Kick.  Kurovski   Jul-02-07 05:02 PM   #194 
  - Exit Polls SUCK! Get over it! nt  Bill Bored   Jul-02-07 06:50 PM   #195 
  - KICK.NT  kster   Jul-03-07 02:34 AM   #196 
  - kick  kster   Jul-11-07 04:04 AM   #197 
  - so, any clue what this research means?  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-11-07 05:27 AM   #198 
  - No Clue?  BeFree   Aug-18-07 06:10 PM   #207 
     - personally  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-18-07 09:59 PM   #208 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Jul-11-07 08:26 PM   #199 
  - Incoming.  Kurovski   Jul-29-07 12:26 AM   #200 
  - Is that Tippy Hedrin in "The Birds"?  autorank   Aug-01-07 12:02 AM   #201 
     - ....watcha talkin about willis...  althecat   Aug-02-07 12:42 AM   #202 
     - .... kaboom....  althecat   Aug-02-07 04:45 AM   #203 
     - What a lot of equipment it takes  galloglas   Aug-02-07 09:10 AM   #204 
     - Yes, it's Miss Tippi. From "The Birds".  Kurovski   Aug-04-07 05:16 PM   #205 
  - K (nt)  Kurovski   Aug-15-07 01:06 PM   #206 
  - If networks had nothing to hide, they would give Conyers the raw exit polls  McCamy Taylor   Aug-22-07 04:48 PM   #209 
  - Wow, look at all those views of this thread.  bleever   Aug-23-07 09:42 PM   #210 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Sep-06-07 09:24 AM   #211 
  - K*R History Review - It could & did happen here.  autorank   Sep-06-07 11:49 PM   #212 
  - Getting close to four figures......  althecat   Sep-06-07 11:55 PM   #213 
  - Kick for the upcoming primaries...  autorank   Oct-09-07 02:17 PM   #214 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Nov-15-07 12:25 PM   #215 
  - K  Kurovski   Dec-28-07 08:29 AM   #216 
  - Kickety kick  FogerRox   Dec-28-07 11:06 AM   #217 
  - Kick  autorank   Jan-11-08 12:06 AM   #218 
  - Thanks for kicking this into view.. I've never read the whole thing !  K Gardner   Jan-11-08 12:36 AM   #219 
     - You're welcome.  autorank   Jan-11-08 02:58 AM   #220 
     - so, can you explain what you think it means?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-11-08 06:40 AM   #223 
        - Not yet, I *still* haven't read the whole thing.. printed it out so I can  K Gardner   Jan-11-08 10:28 AM   #224 
           - Don't mind OTOH.  Kurovski   Jan-12-08 11:01 AM   #226 
           - kicking an incoherent OP is "mystical"?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-12-08 11:37 AM   #227 
           - Mystical ?? By Gad, you're right !!  galloglas   Jan-13-08 01:53 AM   #229 
              - You are very, very, very, very, very, very, very  Kurovski   Jan-13-08 02:08 PM   #231 
           - seriously  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-13-08 06:34 AM   #230 
  - K&R!!!  Stevepol   Jan-11-08 04:07 AM   #221 
  - Our "portal" to the other side.  Kurovski   Jan-11-08 04:58 AM   #222 
  - It's alive...  autorank   Jan-12-08 04:41 AM   #225 
     - ...with pleasure!  Kurovski   Jan-12-08 10:34 PM   #228 
  - *  Kurovski   Feb-08-08 01:04 PM   #232 
  - It never stops.  autorank   Mar-08-08 09:15 PM   #234 
  - Kick  autorank   Mar-31-08 01:56 AM   #236 
  - Kick.  Kurovski   Apr-12-08 01:18 AM   #237 
  - K. (nt)  Kurovski   May-06-08 08:51 PM   #238 
  - KNT  Kurovski   Jul-27-08 06:06 PM   #239 
  - "Thirty days to another election" kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Oct-05-08 04:26 PM   #240 
  - Changed title as My Forums seems to be functioning ok again  althecat   Oct-08-08 12:30 AM   #241 
     - You're up late  autorank   Oct-09-08 11:22 AM   #242 
     - Late? Yeah.  BeFree   Oct-09-08 11:29 AM   #243 
     - Hi, Al!  Kurovski   Oct-18-08 03:31 PM   #244 
        - That reminds me of this story about how banking is like a box of chocolates...  althecat   Oct-18-08 04:27 PM   #245 
           - The moral of the story is clear...  Kurovski   Oct-18-08 04:49 PM   #246 
  - There's an old adage.....  USofFascism   Oct-22-08 10:35 AM   #247 
  - "Two words: Bill and Ayers"  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-22-08 12:39 PM   #248 
     - Freeman  USofFascism   Oct-22-08 05:53 PM   #249 
        - your pattern of distraction and evasion continues  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-22-08 06:22 PM   #250 
           - Did you speak out against the contras?  USofFascism   Oct-22-08 07:14 PM   #251 
              - yes, I did, for what it's worth  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-22-08 07:34 PM   #252 
                 - It's worth something  USofFascism   Oct-22-08 10:33 PM   #253 
                 - thanks for identifying yourself  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-23-08 06:07 AM   #256 
                    - Thank You  DoNotLie   Oct-23-08 05:56 PM   #257 
                       - Leo has told me that Bozos gets confused  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-23-08 07:18 PM   #258 
                          - Thanks for the dialogue and bit of closure  DoNotLie   Oct-23-08 08:12 PM   #259 
                             - oops  DoNotLie   Oct-23-08 08:25 PM   #260 
                 - You know this post is really revealing....  althecat   Oct-23-08 04:09 AM   #254 
                    - no, I didn't say that at all  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-23-08 05:59 AM   #255 
                       - Who Is really in charge? Is it Burch, Kimberlin, and Rivero?  uwilllosedu   Oct-24-08 05:23 AM   #261 
  - locking  Wickerman   Oct-24-08 11:10 AM   #262 
 

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