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A reminder. And lest we forget, while Andy was dying, Bev Harris sat at FR
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and called him a drama queen. A real team player, our Bev.


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I have lived for the last ten weeks with Andy Stephensons cancer. And in the most useless way. I couldnt take it away, couldnt relieve him of it, couldnt mind it for a few hours so he could be freed to do the work he so loved.

Andy was one of the most luminous people I have never met, because we never shared room temperature. I read his posts to a discussion board, then exchanged email with him. Later, when he was casting around for medical care, we had phone contact, increasingly as his situation became more obviously urgent.

And through the unfolding of our friendship, I understood that the being on the other side of the keyboard or the phone line was remarkable, was a gift walking among us. Sometimes a prickly gift or a demanding one but, all gifts have their particular qualities, if only to soften brilliance that laid bare would be blinding for most eyes.

I have heard Andy jubilant and terrified, laughing and sobbing. Playful and petulant. My deepest regret is that I wont hear him again.

When Andy suspected his ill health was serious, I offered to make calls for him. I have made calls for families unable to find resources for over a decade. The public health care system nearly killed my husband, and when we were given a reprieve, I swore I would work to help anyone to find the care they needed.

I had little real success in finding resources for Andy, except in the sense that we widened the circle of friends who helped us look. One of them struck gold, and was able to get Andy taken on as a patient by a respected doctor at Johns Hopkins. This seems no less than a miracle to us. There are many cancer patients in the world and no matter their net worth, they are not taken on easily by doctors at Johns Hopkins.

That left only the money. Out of state patients must be prepared to pay the full costs of their surgeries in advance. So, a group of Andys friends set out to try to raise the funds needed, armed with only love and hope and a very short window to come up with the cash before we were all turned away.

That we did indeed raise $50, 000 in 11 days, in small donations and in many currencies is a measure of how beloved Andy was. None of us had the skill to open wallets, per se. This was for Andy.

And at this point, the story becomes bifurcated. One fork is the progress of love and hope and generosity that he elicited among the progressive community who shook junk drawers and upended sofa cushions and did without one trip to the mall to send in a donation. They made Andys surgery possible. And it is true that when I announced to an incredulous employee at Johns Hopkins that we had raised the money, Im sure she heard me say, we found Monopoly Money and would she accept that? Paypal and Amazon accounts seem not to be used very often by Johns Hopkins clientele.

But the other fork of this story is the profound disturbance it created in the Bush right wing. I didnt understand this until much later. But, the watchers saw our effort, watched the community response and were inspired with what can only be called hatred. Because only such a reaction could account for the vicious attack that was set into motion.

The first weekend of my fundraiser was without incident, but our jubilation of raising $25K in only one hundred hours must have goaded the Bush right. Before the week was out, the rumors of fraud and malfeasance began. I began to get anonymous email demanding to know Andys most personal information. During the second and last weekend of our effort, the contact information I had made available to donors resulted in my email box being spammed with hate mail. I at that point ignored it. It simply never occurred to my that our effort for our friend would become a political death match.

I was in no way prepared for what followed. And, although I have no proof, what followed was a concerted political attack on Andy, on our progressive community, and in specific on our ability to raise funds for our projects as well as, an attack on Andys productive work as an elections reform activist and watchdog.

What followed was a coordinated effort to block Andys medical care or his benefit from the medical care we could secure for him. In specific, the Bush right had its agents make small donations so they could then call Paypal with allegations of fraud that froze Andys account. They also called Paypal, misrepresenting themselves as the hospital to verify that this effort was a scam.

And it got more vicious from there. Due to the frozen funds and the confusion it caused us all, Andys surgery date was cancelled by Johns Hopkins. It was with great difficulty that we were able to persuade the doctor to be put Andy back into the surgical rotation. That cost him two weeks while he suffered from the most aggressive, invasive form of cancer.

The smears and the rumors were seeded all over the internet, to many sites. Ill, on hold waiting for his surgery, Andy and the rest of us cast about trying to answer questions that were more often simply calculated accusations meant to discredit us all, meant to make Andys health care as difficult as possible.

Andy called me one day, happy because hed been given a new date. Then again, because theyd moved the date up. He was terrified, sobbing and I was caught flatfooted. Torn between trying to mind Andys care and trying to stop or answer the horrible accusations being sown all over our community, I had very little to offer his terror, dealing with my own.

After Andy was admitted to the hospital, the rumors turned into threats. A bounty was offered by the Bush right for anyone who could sneak into his hospital room. It was said he was getting a face lift. A telegram was sent just to see if it could be successfully delivered. The harassment was nonstop. And we tried to shield Andy from it, with less success than we would have liked.

A day or so after his surgery, Andy called me from his bed in ICU. I picked up the phone and he began to sing to me, Come out, come out, wherever you are. I started crying. And when we hung up, I offered that bit of good news to our on line progressive community at the Democratic Underground. Immediately, the opposition took that as evidence that Andy was not in fact recovering from a surgical marathon. And this was their pattern. Every specific I offered to comfort the community was taken up by Andys stalkers and used as evident that we were frauds.

Andy left the hospital and spent two weeks recovering at a friends house, learning how to eat again, learning how to move, weaning himself from the morphine that hed needed post surgery. During this time, one of his supporters in Baltimore had her car vandalized a message was sent. Shortly after he left to return to Seattle, his second East Coast hostess was stalked to her home and watched as someone tried to open her front door. His supporters everywhere were systematically intimidated and all the while, they tried to keep it from Andy.

Andy then went back home to Seattle, looking forward to a medical course of chemotherapy and radiation. Once he arrived, he found that an anonymous tipster had managed to get his Medicaid shut down. It took us two weeks to get him back in the system. Andy had anaplastic pancreatic cancer and was again forced to wait weeks for follow up care.

By this time, Andys stalkers had set up a website. It purported to be concerned that the funds for his surgery were raised fraudulently. Thankfully by this time, Andy spent very time on line. But it wore on his core advocates who were repeatedly attacked, defamed and baited.

We were threatened with everything from the FBI to the Washington State Attorney General. And of course, because our first concern was Andy, his attitude and his care, our response had to be measured or none. On a good day, we didnt want Andy logging in and reading that he would soon be visited by federal agents to answer for the mythical hundreds of thousands of dollars wed supposedly raised.

As late as week before Andy died, we couldnt keep the poisonous campaign from him. He felt well enough to log into to his email and found a multipage denunciation, supposedly being filed with his states attorney general. He called me, not so much in a panic. Panic was no longer a speed Andy had. He called me in despair, because he could no longer fight the barrage of hatred being leveled at him. I dont remember what I said to him but I hope it helped for a moment.

The attack from the Bush right never paused, not even through the agony of Andys last days. Not at all. Even the fact of his death is being disputed. Two days after his passing, his advocates are still being harassed, still receiving anonymous hate calls, It was a scam. The friend planning his service was visited by two men impersonating sheriffs on the morning after Andy passed. They were there to ask about fraud, they said.

Andys physical death has not stopped the attack, has not slowed the hatred, has not stemmed the steady stream of intimidation.

But, were not afraid. And we take up Andys work to secure our elections in his honor and in your face.

Elizabeth Ferrari
San Francisco
July 12, 2005
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  -A reminder. And lest we forget, while Andy was dying, Bev Harris sat at FR sfexpat2000  Feb-04-07 11:53 PM   #0 
  - K/R  fooj   Feb-05-07 12:00 AM   #1 
  - . . .  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 12:06 AM   #5 
  - tihs is absolutely horrid. stone cold. Can anything be done to get this  illinoisprogressive   Feb-05-07 12:01 AM   #2 
  - Oh Sweet Karma...  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Feb-05-07 12:04 AM   #3 
  - Thank you for the reminder  ninkasi   Feb-05-07 12:04 AM   #4 
  - What An Awful Story  lligrd   Feb-05-07 12:09 AM   #6 
  - It sickens me to think that any of us can give a pass to a person  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 12:11 AM   #7 
     - Any Ideas?  lligrd   Feb-05-07 12:19 AM   #9 
     - Every movement attracts vultures. Bev Harris is ours.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 12:26 AM   #10 
        - no press contacts planned, desired, or wished for, no govt folks invited  Land Shark   Feb-05-07 04:12 PM   #93 
           - No, thanks.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 04:29 PM   #98 
              - "Fund"? no funding involved. Brad? Don't know what that refers to  Land Shark   Feb-05-07 06:12 PM   #105 
                 - You know better. And, I'll not pretend to know better than you do  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 07:41 PM   #106 
                    - Well thanks for calling me a friend, here's my idea of the most important defense of ANDY's life  Land Shark   Feb-06-07 10:24 AM   #154 
                       - No dispute at all. I used "funded" metaphorically and as to the  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 12:43 PM   #160 
     - I'll never forget.....  ancient_nomad   Feb-05-07 12:31 AM   #13 
  - Lest we forget!  Bozita   Feb-05-07 12:18 AM   #8 
  - k&r for those who have recently asked about Andy and Bev  uppityperson   Feb-05-07 12:26 AM   #11 
  - Are you saying Bev Harris was behind these attacks?  aquart   Feb-05-07 12:27 AM   #12 
  - Somewhere in the archives there is the freeper thread  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 12:34 AM   #15 
  - Bev had her nastiness all over the situation with Andy  tavalon   Feb-05-07 10:25 AM   #48 
     - The whole story is piecemeal for most people.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 10:43 AM   #52 
  - Convictions Confirm Ohio 2004 Recount Was Rigged  kster   Feb-05-07 12:32 AM   #14 
  - No thanks to Bev.  Stephanie   Feb-05-07 12:48 AM   #18 
  - I shant forget  donheld   Feb-05-07 12:44 AM   #16 
  - I just hate all of this. I'd rather kick threads and encourage folks  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 12:49 AM   #19 
  - She did do that.  Stephanie   Feb-05-07 12:47 AM   #17 
  - troubleinwinter has that info. She's having machine trouble tonight  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 01:01 AM   #22 
  - When I last posted to Troubleinwinter  133724   Feb-05-07 12:23 PM   #66 
  - Not correct to say  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 02:10 PM   #77 
     - Are you back up and running?  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 02:28 PM   #79 
     - Back up & runnin'!  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 02:45 PM   #81 
     - I'll never forget how much trouble you were through all that terrible time.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 02:52 PM   #83 
     - Reading these posts much too quickly after much too much  truedelphi   Feb-05-07 09:43 PM   #116 
        - lol  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 04:05 AM   #146 
     - She is bleeding the company....  133724   Feb-06-07 12:44 AM   #139 
        - She also gave herself a raise  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 07:52 PM   #205 
  - Have you informed the IRS of this?  Cleita   Feb-05-07 09:52 PM   #117 
     - The IRS well knows.  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 10:52 PM   #126 
        - If the IRS isn't willing to thoroughly investigate her, then maybe  Cleita   Feb-05-07 11:01 PM   #128 
  - "We're Counting the Votes" videos  kster   Feb-05-07 12:53 AM   #20 
  - Bev's shady accounting was why Andy had no insurance  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 12:56 AM   #21 
  - Kerry-Bush vote-switch found in probability study  kster   Feb-05-07 01:05 AM   #23 
  - You can post links from now until kingdom come.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 01:12 AM   #24 
     - One question  kster   Feb-05-07 01:19 AM   #25 
        - If I find it, I'll pm you.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 01:20 AM   #26 
           - Please do  kster   Feb-05-07 01:29 AM   #27 
              - Anything?  yowzayowzayowza   Feb-05-07 03:12 AM   #31 
              - I don't know what button you're reaching for here.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 09:33 AM   #46 
              - I like my secret ballot  Febble   Feb-05-07 12:33 PM   #67 
  - One of many...  fooj   Feb-05-07 01:33 AM   #28 
  - I'll bet they did  kster   Feb-05-07 01:55 AM   # 
  - No one is questioning KO. But many are condeming the toxicity of Bev.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-05-07 02:20 AM   #30 
  - What about belligerent, threatening and demanding do you NOT understand?  fooj   Feb-05-07 03:13 AM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-07 10:28 AM   #49 
  - Well said, fooj.  livvy   Feb-05-07 05:21 AM   #36 
     - According to the rules these people lay out for Bev  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 08:01 PM   #206 
  - ...  btmlndfrmr   Feb-05-07 01:55 AM   #29 
  - i never got to know andy  barbtries   Feb-05-07 03:13 AM   #33 
  - Thank you, Beth  mogster   Feb-05-07 04:05 AM   #34 
  - When scared and sleep deprived, laugh.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 08:52 AM   #41 
  - I will never forget.  salin   Feb-05-07 04:49 AM   #35 
  - No, salin. A DUer is planning an event here in San Francisco  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 08:54 AM   #42 
     - Ugh! I hadn't heard that.  nicknameless   Feb-05-07 09:40 PM   #115 
  - Sickening garbage.  Elrond Hubbard   Feb-05-07 05:37 AM   #37 
  - Brave and true.  yellerpup   Feb-05-07 08:10 AM   #38 
  - I miss Andy. I wish I could've done anything to help.  knitter4democracy   Feb-05-07 08:16 AM   #39 
  - What is FR?  roody   Feb-05-07 08:39 AM   #40 
  - Free Republic, that rightwing "discussion" board. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 08:56 AM   #43 
  - There's A Wikipedia Entry  momster   Feb-05-07 09:21 AM   #44 
  - There was an article for Andy Stephenson on Wikipedia...  ArbustoBuster   Feb-05-07 03:11 PM   #89 
  - This is the first time I have read the whole story  Carni   Feb-05-07 09:29 AM   #45 
  - While Andy was recovering after hours of surgery, Bev Harris  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 09:38 AM   #47 
     - This is the first time I have read any of this story  TheBorealAvenger   Feb-05-07 01:27 PM   #70 
     - It's very ugly, isn't it.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 01:58 PM   #74 
        - I am going to have to submit this to the skeptical-processing-unit in my brain  TheBorealAvenger   Feb-05-07 02:10 PM   #76 
           - Sure. I don't blame you a bit. If I hadn't lived through it  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 02:21 PM   #78 
           - It would be a "pressing matter"  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 02:34 PM   #80 
              - She's a glorified pool shark.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 02:48 PM   #82 
              - A: Estate planning  TheBorealAvenger   Feb-05-07 04:20 PM   #97 
     - I remember how much I wanted to donate to Andy's care  Spiffarino   Feb-05-07 03:19 PM   #90 
        - DU sure turned out so very beautifully, didn't it?  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 04:15 PM   #95 
           - The warm feeling took a very long time to subside  Spiffarino   Feb-05-07 04:41 PM   #99 
              - You all helped him more than you'll ever know, I think.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 04:45 PM   #101 
  - ROAD MAP FOR NEWBIES: HOLT BILL COMING TODAY  ChrisdemW   Feb-05-07 10:30 AM   #50 
  - Elizabeth...  TwoSparkles   Feb-05-07 10:38 AM   #51 
  - We can move forward when we stop making the same mistake  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 10:49 AM   #53 
  - My very sentiments as well. 100 percent.  chill_wind   Feb-05-07 11:06 AM   #54 
  - Oh Beth, I sense a wound that will never heal  truedelphi   Feb-05-07 11:06 AM   #55 
  - I have done very little in comparison to many DUers so no, I'm not all.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 11:26 AM   #59 
     - Well, now we know  eridani   Feb-05-07 10:32 PM   #124 
        - Yep. Part of what happened was so random. Remember, they  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 04:00 AM   #145 
  - Thank you for reminding us  kaygore   Feb-05-07 11:09 AM   #56 
  - Why?  johan helge   Feb-05-07 11:13 AM   #57 
  - Had to wait until they couldn't hurt Andy any more, if I'm  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 11:20 AM   #58 
     - Let me rephrase  johan helge   Feb-05-07 11:27 AM   #60 
        - Oh, I see. Well, there is a DUer that is planning to bring Bev Harris  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 11:33 AM   #61 
           - Try to get the story out  johan helge   Feb-05-07 11:43 AM   #62 
              - When this piece was put up at OpEdNews, it was widely  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 11:49 AM   #63 
                 - So your post  johan helge   Feb-05-07 11:58 AM   #65 
                 - Oh, no! lol -- it was just on the net. But, it went all over the net  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 01:56 PM   #72 
                    - I see  johan helge   Feb-05-07 02:58 PM   #87 
                       - The corporate media in the US is owned by the right wing.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 04:08 PM   #92 
                 - Wikipedia portrays Bev Harris as a hero  johan helge   Feb-05-07 12:36 PM   #68 
                    - Ben Burch was working on an entry for Andy. The thing about Harris  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 02:00 PM   #75 
                       - Bev's pals, the freepers, and scamdies kept  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 03:02 PM   #88 
                       - The mobile lynch mob. It's surprising that the folks at Wiki  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 04:16 PM   #96 
                       - I took on an entry for Andy at Wiki but they deleted it  truedelphi   Feb-06-07 11:43 AM   #157 
                          - WTF?! Now, there's one weirdo editorial policy.  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 01:54 PM   #168 
  - I can't believe this  Irishonly   Feb-05-07 11:51 AM   #64 
  - You'd think so. I'm glad you're here, Irishonly.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 01:57 PM   #73 
  - The website is still in existence, however they have locked/deleted  mzmolly   Feb-05-07 12:52 PM   #69 
  - My goodness -what a dreadful story  nam78_two   Feb-05-07 01:35 PM   #71 
  - If we had the resources, it would be interesting to "follow the money", as it were,  Kurovski   Feb-05-07 02:52 PM   #84 
  - The Festering Lily has done so much more damage than only what she did  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 02:56 PM   #86 
  - Was there anything ever done to the people who attacked Andy?  Major Hogwash   Feb-05-07 02:54 PM   #85 
  - Nothing was done  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 08:19 PM   #207 
  - Thanks for this. I knew scattered details, but did not know Bev's role clearly.  byronius   Feb-05-07 03:35 PM   #91 
  - Hello, neighbor. Let's hang in. We'll be needed.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 04:13 PM   #94 
  - I remember the emergence of "Bev"  Vinnie From Indy   Feb-05-07 04:44 PM   #100 
  - No kidding. How sad is this movement that we rely on THAT?  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 05:47 PM   #102 
  - It was a very painful time. . . . . n/t  annabanana   Feb-05-07 06:04 PM   #103 
  - Hope this helps = The 1,099 Trillion Principle  L. Coyote   Feb-05-07 06:07 PM   #104 
  - thank you so much for your efforts  Skittles   Feb-05-07 08:07 PM   #107 
  - this has made me deeply sad - all over again.  salin   Feb-05-07 08:19 PM   #109 
     - Believe me,  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 08:38 PM   #111 
        - And a difference made - per verifiable, transparent  salin   Feb-05-07 08:55 PM   #112 
  - Folks, this isn't the first time left wing activists have been attacked.  mistertrickster   Feb-05-07 08:13 PM   #108 
  - We have a responsibility  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 08:35 PM   #110 
     - Agreed. nt  mistertrickster   Feb-06-07 09:59 AM   #153 
  - Bev Harris hurt Andy when he was the most vunerable..Andy deserved dignity and it was robbed!..  flyarm   Feb-05-07 09:07 PM   #113 
  - I still can't erase his phone messages.  fooj   Feb-05-07 10:01 PM   #119 
  - You took huge risks for Andy and you know, he loved you  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 10:10 PM   #120 
  - I've been staring at my screen for five minutes  btmlndfrmr   Feb-05-07 10:11 PM   #121 
  - A stunning post.  Kurovski   Feb-05-07 11:37 PM   #132 
  - Thx for goin thru that.  yowzayowzayowza   Feb-05-07 11:54 PM   #133 
  - I was one of the four people with Andy at Johns Hopkins, and....  demodonkey   Feb-07-07 01:00 AM   #176 
     - glad you are going to be at thehearing - big deal indeed.  salin   Feb-07-07 07:07 AM   #178 
     - You did good and good luck today.  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 02:00 PM   #191 
  - Beth oh dear I rec'd this earlier  stellanoir   Feb-05-07 09:28 PM   #114 
  - I agree with much of what you have written  salin   Feb-05-07 09:58 PM   #118 
  - Sorry to have given that simplistic impression.  stellanoir   Feb-06-07 06:54 AM   #148 
     - Agreed  salin   Feb-06-07 07:17 PM   #173 
  - Problem is, each one of her victims believed they werre the smart one.  sfexpat2000   Feb-05-07 10:13 PM   #122 
  - and the back-hand slap  salin   Feb-05-07 10:21 PM   #123 
  - Yup I agree  stellanoir   Feb-06-07 07:40 AM   #151 
     - I did see it and agree to a degree. :-)  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 11:43 AM   #156 
  - Getting involved after 2004 is key here  eridani   Feb-05-07 11:29 PM   #131 
  - You Lie Down With Dogs, You Get Up With Fleas.  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 11:58 PM   #134 
     - Yeah well if the dog was Andy's Ballot  stellanoir   Feb-06-07 07:07 AM   #149 
  - break the cycle of hatred  Cocoa   Feb-05-07 10:49 PM   #125 
  - Try to read this thread.  troubleinwinter   Feb-05-07 11:00 PM   #127 
  - So you think she shouldn't be brought to justice? There is a  Cleita   Feb-05-07 11:03 PM   #129 
  - bring her to justice on DU?  Cocoa   Feb-06-07 12:45 AM   #140 
     - True, but there's nothing undemocratic about pointing out to your friend  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 03:44 AM   #144 
     - Cute. You know what I meant.  Cleita   Feb-06-07 12:51 PM   #162 
        - It can hurt to air dirty linen if not true. Remember hillstreet Blues: Let's be careful out there!  Land Shark   Feb-06-07 01:53 PM   #167 
           - Land Shark, I had nor have any desire to attack you or to defame you.  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 02:16 PM   #169 
           - In this case the dirty linen is pretty well documented. n/t  Cleita   Feb-06-07 02:42 PM   #170 
           - Please avail us of your experience and...  yowzayowzayowza   Feb-06-07 04:37 PM   #171 
           - You know, I agree. Where have I or has anyone laid themselves  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 06:37 PM   #172 
              - the law of defamation is DESIGNED to CHILL discussion of a certain kind  Land Shark   Feb-07-07 11:44 AM   #183 
                 - You said:  Cleita   Feb-07-07 01:22 PM   #185 
                 - And as he well knows Bev won't sue  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 08:41 PM   #210 
                    - I was wondering where you were.  Cleita   Feb-08-07 10:51 PM   #215 
                    - Busy  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 10:59 PM   #216 
                    - Juat the idea of defaming that grifter is hilarious, all by itself.  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-07 03:00 AM   #220 
                 - So, why did you need to bring up defamation in this thread, Land Shark?  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 02:07 PM   #192 
                 - with regard to me, this started out in the nature of advice to me, not to get hit  Land Shark   Feb-08-07 12:52 AM   #203 
                    - "advice-giving"  troubleinwinter   Feb-08-07 07:20 PM   #204 
                    - The ultimate defense against "defamation"  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 08:43 PM   #211 
                    - I wish I could have had Land Shark's counsel when Andy and I  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-07 02:21 AM   #218 
                       - Somehow, I don't think he would have been interested  Kelvin Mace   Feb-10-07 06:09 PM   #221 
                       - Scamdy.com  troubleinwinter   Feb-10-07 08:27 PM   #223 
                       - I apologize insofar as that is news to me. I'm sorry.  sfexpat2000   Feb-18-07 09:51 PM   #229 
                       - Maybe you did, indirectly, i can;t talk about what Andy told me.  Land Shark   Feb-14-07 12:43 AM   #226 
                          - Can't talk? You just did.  hunter   Feb-14-07 11:20 AM   #227 
                          - Bullshit.  sfexpat2000   Feb-18-07 10:26 PM   #230 
                    - That is a non answer. I asked you why you needed to bring up defamation.  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-07 02:36 AM   #219 
                 - This is just weird. Where is it going?  hunter   Feb-07-07 02:49 PM   #195 
                 - "I'm not evaluating specific facts in this thread"  troubleinwinter   Feb-07-07 10:45 PM   #199 
           - Goody.  troubleinwinter   Feb-06-07 11:32 PM   #175 
           - LOL!  Cleita   Feb-07-07 01:27 PM   #186 
           - It's really too bad that Bev is abusive and seems to keep falling afoul of tax law  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 02:10 PM   #193 
           - If Bev wants to take me to court  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 08:31 PM   #209 
  - Good evening, Cocoa.  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 03:36 AM   #142 
  - Bev's apologists are still here  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 08:26 PM   #208 
     - No, it's not going to happen.  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-07 02:18 AM   #217 
  - A loss for words ,k&r  bonito   Feb-05-07 11:13 PM   #130 
  - So why exactly was Harris at FR in the first place?  Kurovski   Feb-05-07 11:59 PM   #135 
  - Lack of scruples and hopes for yet more money, adoration and fame...  troubleinwinter   Feb-06-07 12:07 AM   #136 
     - Thank you, troubleinwinter.  Kurovski   Feb-06-07 12:15 AM   #137 
        - "Armed"  troubleinwinter   Feb-06-07 08:38 AM   #152 
        - Thuggery. What a surprise. It sounds as if he's just as unbalanced  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 11:39 AM   #155 
        - I remember your work on the 990.  Kurovski   Feb-06-07 11:53 AM   #158 
           - Being that it was Bev who claimed  troubleinwinter   Feb-06-07 12:02 PM   #159 
              - Rules don't apply in BevWorld. It is creepy.  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 12:51 PM   #161 
                 - Yep. I knew it.  fooj   Feb-06-07 01:45 PM   #165 
                    - Nobody ever tells me anything.  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 01:51 PM   #166 
        - His sig line was  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 08:46 PM   #212 
           - Maybe you want to see post 152.  troubleinwinter   Feb-08-07 09:02 PM   #214 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 12:37 AM   #138 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-07 01:03 AM   #141 
  - Good evening, TRUTH TELLER  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 03:38 AM   #143 
  - Okay - offer up facts rather than unverified claims  salin   Feb-06-07 06:05 AM   #147 
     - Maybe I should just confess.  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 07:37 AM   #150 
     - Looks like "Our lady of Perpetual Chaos" reared her head, eh?  fooj   Feb-06-07 01:18 PM   #163 
        - Looks like it.  sfexpat2000   Feb-06-07 01:37 PM   #164 
           - "poof"  btmlndfrmr   Feb-06-07 08:42 PM   #174 
     - Claiming posts aginst her on at DU  Kelvin Mace   Feb-08-07 08:51 PM   #213 
  - UNBELIEVABLE, CONGRATULATIONS..........  kster   Feb-07-07 01:06 AM   #177 
  - congratulations on this thread - linking to a march 2005 freep thread?  salin   Feb-07-07 07:13 AM   #179 
  - That so many of my "freinds" are in complete agreement with my enemies  kster   Feb-07-07 11:09 AM   #181 
     - thanks  salin   Feb-07-07 11:28 AM   #182 
     - Broken clocks. Do you think anyone is actually enjoying this?  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 01:58 PM   #190 
     - Your "friend"  troubleinwinter   Feb-07-07 02:42 PM   #194 
        - Thus says Bev Harris to the man who was Andy's main stalker.  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 02:59 PM   #196 
        - Now, when exactly will the members of FR figure out that they're being scammed  Kurovski   Feb-07-07 03:26 PM   #197 
           - I sure dunno...  troubleinwinter   Feb-07-07 08:58 PM   #198 
              - I definitely feel like I'm swimming upstream here. And it's so bizarre  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 11:01 PM   #200 
                 - You know what it takes?  fooj   Feb-07-07 11:17 PM   #201 
                    - It takes us saying bullshit.  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 11:43 PM   #202 
  - Cut and paste is your friend, kster.  hunter   Feb-07-07 10:40 AM   #180 
  - I think his point is that many freepers don't think much of Bev, either.  troubleinwinter   Feb-07-07 01:05 PM   #184 
     - Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer???  hunter   Feb-07-07 01:40 PM   #187 
     - Everybody knows I'm a secret freep just as that grifter's last sock puppet said.  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 01:56 PM   #189 
  - I didn't create this situation. You people who keep letting her skate have.  sfexpat2000   Feb-07-07 01:53 PM   #188 
  - This thread has been viewed 5,700+ times  Kelvin Mace   Feb-10-07 06:12 PM   #222 
     - Don't you think  troubleinwinter   Feb-10-07 08:29 PM   #224 
     - Enough. already. Let Bev bring it -- you know how empty that threat is.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-07 04:32 PM   #225 
     - Bev isn't ever really happy. She's just fed sometimes.  sfexpat2000   Feb-18-07 09:45 PM   #228 
 

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