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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:05 PM
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5. Yes.
Thank you, Keith.

And message for Karl: We know what you did last election.
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  -Olbmermann hinted he's concerned about secret vote counting tonight. garybeck  Oct-26-06 08:00 PM   #0 
  - I've been freaked out about it since yesterday...  fooj   Oct-26-06 08:02 PM   #1 
  - Done  proudlibal   Oct-26-06 08:13 PM   #2 
  - heck, Lou Dobbs is covering it  grasswire   Oct-26-06 08:46 PM   #3 
  - sort of...  garybeck   Oct-26-06 08:52 PM   #4 
     - opscans are not a problem. In fact opscans are the best way to vote.  w4rma   Oct-26-06 09:20 PM   #6 
        - With all due respect, you have no idea.  garybeck   Oct-26-06 09:28 PM   #8 
        - Audits of *any* system are the only way to determine fraud.  w4rma   Oct-26-06 09:40 PM   #9 
           - but we don't have audits  garybeck   Oct-26-06 09:45 PM   #10 
           - Then push for audits in more circumstances. Don't trash a very good system. (nt)  w4rma   Oct-26-06 10:03 PM   #11 
           - The point is until there are audits it is not "a very good system"  MN Against Bush   Oct-26-06 10:17 PM   #12 
           - opscan ballots are paper ballots.  w4rma   Oct-26-06 10:41 PM   #13 
           - But they hardly ever do hand counts no matter how close the race is  MN Against Bush   Oct-26-06 10:46 PM   #14 
           - There really isn't a need to audit *every single vote* in *every single race*.  w4rma   Oct-26-06 11:13 PM   #15 
              - Brennan Report says - EVERY election.  garybeck   Oct-27-06 12:13 AM   #21 
              - The Brennan Report doesn't say every vote in every election.  w4rma   Oct-27-06 01:02 AM   #23 
                 - but there are no such audits  garybeck   Oct-27-06 04:11 AM   #36 
                    - I agree, Gary, but would generalize it even a bit more.  eomer   Oct-27-06 05:45 AM   #37 
                       - That's about clear as mud  BeFree   Oct-27-06 10:00 AM   #47 
                          - Sorry if I wasn't clear.  eomer   Oct-27-06 03:53 PM   #56 
                             - That is clearer!  BeFree   Oct-27-06 04:47 PM   #57 
              - You obviously are not paying attention  kster   Oct-27-06 12:28 AM   #22 
              - I have been paying attention for a while, now. (nt)  w4rma   Oct-27-06 01:08 AM   #27 
                 - And you still believe Optiscans with random audits will work?  kster   Oct-27-06 02:02 AM   #30 
                    - If you hand count, say 10%, those should match the central tabulator.  suziedemocrat   Oct-27-06 06:14 AM   #40 
              - We need automatic, random audits. I don't think that's asking too much.  suziedemocrat   Oct-27-06 06:08 AM   #39 
              - On the contrary there is an imperative need to ALL the votes in  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Oct-27-06 01:22 PM   #54 
           - I'm sorry, you are simply wrong.....  garybeck   Oct-27-06 12:06 AM   #20 
              - Because the audit will show a discrepancy. That's how. (nt)  w4rma   Oct-27-06 01:03 AM   #24 
              - WHAT AUDIT?  garybeck   Oct-27-06 04:08 AM   #34 
                 - The audits you are supposedly trying to pass a law to get done in more circumstances. (nt)  w4rma   Oct-27-06 08:47 AM   #44 
                    - I guess you just don't get it.  garybeck   Oct-27-06 11:43 AM   #51 
              - You are both right.  suziedemocrat   Oct-27-06 06:24 AM   #41 
           - That's what we do in NZ... always have... in fact thats how they count votes most places  althecat   Oct-27-06 04:09 AM   #35 
           - I DO push for audits in more circumstances. It's NOT a very good system.  garybeck   Oct-26-06 11:53 PM   #19 
              - Good. Keep pushing for audits in more circumstances, but don't try to dismantle  w4rma   Oct-27-06 01:06 AM   #25 
           - As a matter of fact, even going to court for recounts is not working!  robinlynne   Oct-26-06 11:34 PM   #16 
              - Then we need write and pass a federal law that will force the courts  w4rma   Oct-27-06 01:07 AM   #26 
                 - Or we eliminate the secret vote counting machines  kster   Oct-27-06 02:04 AM   #31 
                 - I'm with you.  robinlynne   Oct-27-06 12:47 PM   #53 
           - VERY Good Point - Optical Scans provide a paper trail - we should use it.  suziedemocrat   Oct-27-06 06:05 AM   #38 
        - Oopsie. You are mistaken.  elehhhhna   Oct-27-06 05:34 PM   #59 
  - Yes.  bleever   Oct-26-06 09:05 PM   #5 
  - hahahahah  Faye   Oct-26-06 11:46 PM   #18 
  - If the vote is obviously stolen then DU, America, well, I at least  niallmac   Oct-26-06 09:24 PM   #7 
  - The 2004 vote was obviously stolen. There are white stickers covering kerry votes  robinlynne   Oct-26-06 11:35 PM   #17 
     - According to the media counts Gore was the winner.  w4rma   Oct-27-06 01:12 AM   #28 
        - Yes, Gore won, Cleland won, Kerry won, you  kster   Oct-27-06 02:13 AM   #32 
           - Are you even reading what I said? (nt)  w4rma   Oct-27-06 08:43 AM   #43 
  - "It's The Republican Manufactured & Programmed Voting Machines  farmboxer   Oct-27-06 01:12 AM   #29 
  - I miss your posts farmboxer. They were like exclamation points  glitch   Oct-27-06 08:51 AM   #45 
  - Same here, farmboxer.  Kurovski   Oct-27-06 02:39 PM   #55 
  - A most excellent suggestion.....  althecat   Oct-27-06 04:05 AM   #33 
  - K & R  freedomfries   Oct-27-06 06:38 AM   #42 
  - Refusing to perform simple acts of addition (vote counting) in public  Land Shark   Oct-27-06 09:29 AM   #46 
  - Cory Flintoff *hinted* this on ATC last nite! (NPR)  nashville_brook   Oct-27-06 10:45 AM   #48 
  - really, what did he say?  garybeck   Oct-27-06 11:45 AM   #52 
  - done.... KnR  nashville_brook   Oct-27-06 10:55 AM   #49 
  - K&R.. Hand Counted Paper Ballots NOW!!!  In Truth We Trust   Oct-27-06 11:15 AM   #50 
  - Kick(nt)  Kurovski   Oct-27-06 05:00 PM   #58 
  - WOW! He's never gone there before, iirc.  elehhhhna   Oct-27-06 05:35 PM   #60 

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