Reply #2: apparently I am neither "Us" nor "them"

[OnTheOtherHand]

I think Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and should have won the electoral vote. I think Dems probably lost in 2002 and 2004, although I don't see how anyone can be sure about (e.g.) Georgia in 2002 or Ohio in 2004. I sort of envy people who are sure, but I also distrust them.

I don't know anyone who assumes that "the secret counting was fair and square" or that the votes are bound to be counted correctly this time around.

The mathematics are pretty simple here. If Us is people who don't trust the machines, Us is a clear majority. If Us is people who are sure that the Dems won in 2002 and 2004, Us is no longer a clear majority. So, why do you seem to go out of your way to define Us in a narrow way? I don't think We can afford it.