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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 06:43 PM
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7. I don't need to. You, in your hysteria are certain that the states should
spend 11 billion to prevent a handful of Mexicans from voting. Hint if it sounds like Britney Spears and Kevin Federline it ain't a Mexican, or a Frenchman. On the other hand if it sounds like Sean Connery it might be Scottish. And that don't cost a dime.

Now, you can be forgiven if you've never heard of a single case in which an illegal immigrant successfully used a fake ID at the polls. Neither Burton nor Perdue presented evidence of any such cases.

"If you are an illegal immigrant, the last thing you want to do is show up at a polling place, ..." said Thomas Patterson, an expert on elections at Harvard's Shorenstein Center. "We have enough trouble getting people to vote when they're eligible. The idea that people are going to stick their necks out and get penalty stretches the imagination."

Patterson notes that the voting and registration rules that apply in much of this country are already more stringent than those in most Western European democracies. In much of Western Europe, for example, the postal service simply notifies voter registration officials when a citizen moves, and his voting precinct is automatically changed.

And you are a fan of James Baker because...

Baker served as chief legal advisor for George W. Bush during the 2000 election campaign and oversaw the Florida recount. He was instrumental in getting the Supreme Court to intervene in the Florida vote recount. Over 200,000 votes were not counted, thus giving election to George W Bush even though he lost the popular vote. He is currently (as of 2004) a senior partner at the law firm of Baker Botts and senior counsel to the Carlyle Group.

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  -Koehler: This Cannot Be (Mandatory Voter ID) mod mom  Sep-30-06 08:45 AM   #0 
  - Koehler claims he's an award-winning, Chicago-based journalist so he  jody   Sep-30-06 09:10 AM   #1 
  - Koehler's right, Carter and Baker are lying, and that's the end of it.  Jim Sagle   Sep-30-06 10:04 AM   #3 
  - I see we disagree and that's often the case in our Dem party. n/a  jody   Sep-30-06 05:18 PM   #5 
  - Blah Blah, trotting out the same tired Carter/Baker as in James Baker  rosebud57   Sep-30-06 01:10 PM   #4 
  - I see we disagree. You can change my mind if you provide links to an  jody   Sep-30-06 05:25 PM   #6 
     - I don't need to. You, in your hysteria are certain that the states should  rosebud57   Sep-30-06 06:43 PM   #7 
        - You lose. Have a nice evening. n/a  jody   Sep-30-06 08:25 PM   #9 
           - HR 4844 is a GOP bill - do you support the GOP?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Sep-30-06 08:51 PM   #14 
              - you might want to review post #10 n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-01-06 06:27 AM   #18 
  - does this bill enact the Carter/Baker recommendation?  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-30-06 07:43 PM   #8 
  - See #1 for the recommendation from the Carter/Baker report. I object  jody   Sep-30-06 08:33 PM   #10 
  - would a democrat support HR 4844?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Sep-30-06 08:47 PM   #12 
  - voting outcome:  mod mom   Sep-30-06 10:04 PM   #16 
  - So you are a fan of Baker?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Sep-30-06 08:56 PM   #15 
  - OK, but do you take my point about Koehler?  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-01-06 06:44 AM   #19 
     - I've asked several who post on DU and oppose photo Voter IDs what  jody   Oct-01-06 08:17 AM   #20 
        - well, I wish you had answered my question  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-01-06 08:43 AM   #22 
        - RE: your point about Koehler, I carefully reread Koehler's article and  jody   Oct-01-06 09:00 AM   # 
        - OK, at least I know what you're thinking now  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-01-06 12:57 PM   #25 
           - No re non-citizens who vote but I support standard procedures for  jody   Oct-01-06 05:26 PM   #26 
              - well...  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-01-06 06:23 PM   #27 
                 - Make sense? You bet and I wish we Dems could frame the debate and  jody   Oct-01-06 07:08 PM   #28 
        - Dupe deleted. n/a  jody   Oct-01-06 09:00 AM   #24 
        - Then my answer is we should not require proof of citizenship...  rosebud57   Oct-01-06 08:07 PM   #29 
        - I oppose it for what it does, not because it is different from HAVA  WillYourVoteBCounted   Oct-01-06 10:19 PM   #33 
        - Your answer  galloglas   Oct-02-06 01:33 AM   #34 
  - procedural and institutional safeguards to make sure that the rights of  rosebud57   Sep-30-06 08:44 PM   #11 
     - I basically agree with that  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-01-06 05:53 AM   #17 
     - Low income people lead disorganized chaotic lives. We don't limit  rosebud57   Oct-01-06 08:38 AM   #21 
     - I understand your concern but for federal elections we either have  jody   Oct-01-06 08:44 AM   #23 
        - Carter/Baker - Rove designed it well  WillYourVoteBCounted   Oct-01-06 10:11 PM   #31 
  - Baker was leader of the Brown Shirt Gang in FL in 2000  WillYourVoteBCounted   Sep-30-06 08:49 PM   #13 
  - Who'da thought that Bob Koehler's-hero on this forum-article would be a  mod mom   Oct-01-06 08:27 PM   #30 
     - I guess its like trying to understand a Lieberman  WillYourVoteBCounted   Oct-01-06 10:14 PM   #32 
  - No American should have to show photo ID to vote nm  texpatriot2004   Sep-30-06 09:26 AM   #2 

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