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Mon Jul-24-06 04:08 PM
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not overlooked, and yes, exit polls were conducted at punchcard precincts in Ohio.
Punchcards and lever machine precincts, nationally, had higher discrepancies than DREs or optical scanners, when urban areas were compared. But there isn't enough statistical power to find small effects at state level. So if punchcard problems affected the exit poll in Ohio, the effect size was too small to be statistically detectable with the small amount of statistical power available.
But that's not saying much. As I said, 49 precincts can't tell you much except that the discrepancy wasn't due to chance, and that it wasn't correlated with advantage to Bush. And as it wasn't correlated with advantage to Bush nationally either, and WAS correlated with factors likely to make selection bias more likely, it seems at least reasonable to conclude that the exit poll data doesn't support the fraud narrative.
Which is not to say that Ohio wasn't stolen. Or that Kerry wouldn't have won it on a level playing field.
BTW I hugely appreciate the fact that you have actually read my review. I am perfectly ready to debate it.
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RonB |
Jul-23-06 08:51 PM |
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Rank and KICK!!! |
NVMojo |
Jul-23-06 08:55 PM |
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What? How do you figure? nt |
iconoclastic cat |
Jul-23-06 08:58 PM |
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Ron Baiman is a national treasure, but that's just my opinion and I |
autorank |
Jul-27-06 02:44 AM |
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The link to the powerpoint is dead. nt |
iconoclastic cat |
Jul-23-06 08:57 PM |
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Thank you. This might be locked, then moved to GD or |
alfredo |
Jul-23-06 08:57 PM |
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k&r for clean elections, without them we are screwed. |
uppityperson |
Jul-23-06 08:58 PM |
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Ron, having trouble with the Powerpoint link:"bcvrtf.yahoo.com not found" |
Kip Humphrey |
Jul-23-06 08:59 PM |
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And yet everyone here is kicking and recommending. |
iconoclastic cat |
Jul-23-06 09:02 PM |
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Same here. |
drm604 |
Jul-23-06 09:55 PM |
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I had no problem downloading it K&R n/t |
Land Shark |
Jul-25-06 01:30 AM |
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Ron, I trust that you are in touch with |
bleever |
Jul-23-06 09:05 PM |
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I can't get to the Powerpoint... (n/t) |
IndyOp |
Jul-23-06 09:06 PM |
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Ron comments on his blog post to download the link |
bear425 |
Jul-23-06 09:08 PM |
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PowerPoint viewer is a free MS download. LINK only n/t |
L. Coyote |
Jul-23-06 09:25 PM |
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Hey, thank you very much. That was nice of you. n/t |
bear425 |
Jul-24-06 08:58 AM |
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Caution: New Powerpoint Virus |
Nictuku |
Jul-23-06 09:08 PM |
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if it's stored on yahoo there may be traffic problems |
Donnachaidh |
Jul-23-06 09:08 PM |
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K&R |
Patsy Stone |
Jul-23-06 09:44 PM |
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Ron, your link appears to be bad. |
drm604 |
Jul-23-06 09:52 PM |
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I changed the link. |
RonB |
Jul-23-06 10:41 PM |
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Glad to see you back, Ron! Thanks for posting! K&R! n/t |
Melissa G |
Jul-23-06 10:50 PM |
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Works for me! |
go west young man |
Jul-24-06 07:49 AM |
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Why don't you |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 04:45 PM |
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Ohio Supreme Court Vote Anomaly |
L. Coyote |
Jul-23-06 11:38 PM |
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Ron, thank you for this great analysis |
rumpel |
Jul-24-06 12:14 AM |
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Nails Warren Mitofsky as the bumbling, self righteous a$$hole he really is. |
farmbo |
Jul-24-06 07:46 AM |
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And your problem is? |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 08:16 AM |
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You've got to be kidding, right? |
organik |
Jul-24-06 11:58 AM |
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It's certainly not silly |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 12:26 PM |
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Your loyalty to you erstwhile patron does you great credit, Prebs. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jul-24-06 01:16 PM |
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Oh jeez |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 01:18 PM |
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It's silly that anonymous polling data can't be released owing to... |
farmbo |
Jul-24-06 01:56 PM |
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The names are not on the responses |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 02:37 PM |
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Given how everyone here feels about Choicepoint (rightfully so!) |
salvorhardin |
Jul-24-06 05:36 PM |
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RE: wouldn't show up in the exit poll anyway ... |
L. Coyote |
Jul-24-06 02:05 PM |
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Well, you can certainly add it. |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 02:22 PM |
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RE: The qualifier "for which there is best evidence in Ohio" |
L. Coyote |
Jul-24-06 02:59 PM |
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Nope |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 04:08 PM |
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Thanks, this helps |
L. Coyote |
Jul-24-06 06:06 PM |
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I should also add: |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 04:18 PM |
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a 17% shift in their margin |
L. Coyote |
Jul-24-06 02:26 PM |
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Yes indeed |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 02:44 PM |
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RE: "Ron's "virtually irrefutable evidence" from the exit polls is nothing |
L. Coyote |
Jul-24-06 03:06 PM |
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Well, he's done it in writing |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 03:57 PM |
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In regard to exit polls, I've noticed plenty of silly, the other way |
Awsi Dooger |
Jul-24-06 02:55 PM |
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Hi Awsi, you seem to merit a TIA refuting... |
Melissa G |
Jul-24-06 10:06 PM |
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I seriously doubt TIA looked at the "When Decided" category prior to 2004 |
Awsi Dooger |
Jul-25-06 11:02 PM |
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I was going to give you a long answer until I read your down |
Melissa G |
Jul-26-06 09:07 PM |
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You have been refuted.. again...Check your in box.n/t |
Melissa G |
Jul-26-06 09:56 PM |
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Thank you for the link in your PM |
Awsi Dooger |
Jul-27-06 01:39 AM |
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Hi Awsi ,TIA likes your math, if not your conclusions... |
Melissa G |
Jul-27-06 07:36 PM |
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Admittedly, that "When Decided" has been less varied in '00 and '04 |
Awsi Dooger |
Jul-27-06 10:41 PM |
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Has that ever made a difference... |
autorank |
Jul-27-06 02:45 AM |
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nope, serious discussion here is very, very difficult n/t |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-27-06 07:09 AM |
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Yeah, right |
BeFree |
Jul-24-06 11:10 PM |
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I thought you were ignoring me |
Awsi Dooger |
Jul-25-06 11:16 PM |
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Made up? No. Mistake? yep |
BeFree |
Jul-26-06 06:41 AM |
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presumably you meant this to reply to me |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-26-06 06:53 AM |
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There goes that integrity thing, again |
BeFree |
Jul-26-06 07:18 AM |
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nope, it's a fact thing |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-26-06 07:40 AM |
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It is your credibility in question |
BeFree |
Jul-26-06 08:06 AM |
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again, if you don't have an argument, then you don't have an argument |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-26-06 08:31 AM |
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Your intellectual integrity is the subject |
BeFree |
Jul-26-06 08:36 AM |
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that's just dumb |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-26-06 08:41 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-26-06 08:45 AM |
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huh? n/t |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-26-06 08:47 AM |
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and then there is the part you just made up |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-26-06 05:42 AM |
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Election records are PUBLIC records |
RonB |
Jul-25-06 12:56 AM |
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They have everything to worry about |
Febble |
Jul-25-06 01:42 AM |
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I removed that slide from the power point |
RonB |
Jul-25-06 11:22 PM |
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Thanks Ron, that's decent |
Febble |
Jul-26-06 02:27 AM |
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Kick |
BeFree |
Jul-24-06 02:19 PM |
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BIG KICK |
redacted |
Jul-24-06 03:11 PM |
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In OH the precinct on the punchcard is identified with a printed or... |
rosebud57 |
Jul-24-06 05:49 PM |
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Suspicous minds want to know |
L. Coyote |
Jul-24-06 05:59 PM |
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Excellent idea |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 06:03 PM |
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But do they have hot tubs? |
L. Coyote |
Jul-24-06 06:51 PM |
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Febble...your take on the Miami county poll book discrepancy? |
farmbo |
Jul-24-06 07:08 PM |
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Well, I am waiting to see |
Febble |
Jul-24-06 08:12 PM |
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These stats. don't reflect drop off rates from top to bottom of the ticket |
farmbo |
Jul-24-06 09:09 PM |
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Well, if it's "stark" |
Febble |
Jul-25-06 02:07 AM |
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Sorry...I have a day job and I'm not a statistician. Part of the indignity |
farmbo |
Jul-25-06 04:09 AM |
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Sorry about the stats-speak |
Febble |
Jul-25-06 04:32 AM |
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Exactly SW OH should have been least likely to vote Connally, it's |
rosebud57 |
Jul-25-06 07:13 AM |
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Well, stats are no substitute |
Febble |
Jul-25-06 05:27 PM |
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RE: "Kerry votes were tabulated as Bush votes" |
L. Coyote |
Jul-26-06 11:21 AM |
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a master file of ballot orders would help |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-26-06 12:35 PM |
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deterministic pattern based on precinct name |
L. Coyote |
Jul-26-06 06:18 PM |
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two concerns |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-26-06 06:37 PM |
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the statute specifies precinct number |
L. Coyote |
Jul-26-06 07:36 PM |
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yes, I know the statute |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-27-06 07:58 AM |
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caterpillar crawl could account for the "anomalous voting patterns |
L. Coyote |
Jul-27-06 11:17 AM |
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who are you lecturing, and why? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-27-06 05:13 PM |
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RE: "Finally I gave up because I didn't have time to check all the PDFs." |
L. Coyote |
Jul-26-06 07:50 PM |
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To dismiss Connaly you have to believe SW OH voters are more likely to |
rosebud57 |
Jul-24-06 09:33 PM |
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Well, no. |
Febble |
Jul-25-06 02:14 AM |
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If you were a cop you would say "I smell a rat in SW OH", Connaly + |
rosebud57 |
Jul-25-06 03:43 PM |
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I smell rats too |
Febble |
Jul-26-06 02:58 AM |
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the poll book thing needs more analysis |
OnTheOtherHand |
Jul-25-06 09:07 PM |
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Glad to see you guys talking. |
Bill Bored |
Jul-24-06 10:10 PM |
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Well, it's not a question |
Febble |
Jul-25-06 02:56 AM |
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Unless... |
eomer |
Jul-25-06 05:52 AM |
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Yes, and the sun is shining in a British summer |
Febble |
Jul-25-06 06:09 AM |
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Regarding the lack of correlation at the state level, |
eomer |
Jul-25-06 06:39 AM |
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Well I compromised |
Febble |
Jul-25-06 05:25 PM |
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Did lightening just strike twice in the same place?BB on exit polls? |
Melissa G |
Jul-25-06 10:36 PM |
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When I initially stared researching punch cards in Dec. '04 I assumed that |
rosebud57 |
Jul-24-06 08:54 PM |
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??? |
AtLiberty |
Jul-24-06 10:43 PM |
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Does anyone know exactly when that ballot rotation started? |
Awsi Dooger |
Jul-27-06 10:08 PM |
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