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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:00 PM
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55. I do.
Dean's voters mostly voted. Some of them were even active in the Kerry campaign. When Dean dropped out of the primaries, however, he stopped recruiting new Democrats (yes, I know about DFA, but it never came close to the enthusiasm that Dean did as a candidate). Since we know that nearly 40% of Americans didn't vote and we know that we only lost this by about 3%, new voters were the key to winning. Dean had a much greater ability to motivate new voters than Kerry. In addition, Dean's campaign would have had more enthusiasm (my opinion).

I'm right where I was a year and a half ago. Dean was the man for the job and I believe he would have won.
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  -In hindsight Dean could have won... Chicago Democrat  Nov-11-04 10:19 PM   #0 
  - Yeah, but everybody jumped on that stupid  Carolab   Nov-11-04 10:20 PM   #1 
  - i wasn't on it either  seg4527   Nov-11-04 10:24 PM   #3 
  - I agree but because he wouldn't have quit.  genius   Nov-12-04 01:08 AM   #28 
  - I supported Dean in the caucuses but I don't think we can honestly  Pirate Smile   Nov-11-04 10:23 PM   #2 
  - Interesting hindsight conversation re Kerry in NYC  countmyvote4real   Nov-11-04 11:26 PM   #9 
  - I didn't like Dean but he wouldn't have quit on us like Kerry did  genius   Nov-11-04 10:51 PM   #4 
  - Dean was my guy from the get-go  AmyCrat   Nov-11-04 10:53 PM   #5 
     - If Kerry doesn't want the Presidency, I wonder if we can sub in Edwards  genius   Nov-12-04 12:40 AM   #15 
  - That must have been why...  LoZoccolo   Nov-11-04 11:18 PM   #6 
  - rove took dean down in the primary.  bullimiami   Nov-12-04 01:17 AM   #31 
  - You said absolutely nothing about the polls.  LoZoccolo   Nov-12-04 01:45 AM   #32 
     - "The margin of fraud"  WhoWantsToBeOccupied   Nov-12-04 01:39 PM   #48 
        - If Dean had energized people.  LoZoccolo   Nov-12-04 10:49 PM   #60 
  - Oh, the irony  HFishbine   Nov-12-04 09:22 AM   #36 
  - PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD!!!  JDWalley   Nov-11-04 11:24 PM   #7 
  - Why toxic? Just cause I liked Dean doesn't mean I can't support Kerry n/t  AmyCrat   Nov-11-04 11:25 PM   #8 
  - True  Carolab   Nov-11-04 11:46 PM   #10 
  - No, it doesn't...  JDWalley   Nov-12-04 01:59 AM   #33 
  - I agree  illuminaughty   Nov-13-04 12:58 AM   #64 
  - True  HFishbine   Nov-12-04 09:27 AM   #37 
  - If Kerry gets the message, they'll probably stop.People are angry he quit  genius   Nov-12-04 12:45 AM   #19 
  - Kerry lost no votes by not being anti-war and an anti-war candidate  AP   Nov-12-04 12:00 AM   #11 
  - A BIG caveat to your assumption  HFishbine   Nov-12-04 09:31 AM   #39 
     - Kerry got a record number of votes for a Democrat. I highly doubt that the  AP   Nov-12-04 10:13 AM   #43 
        - Okay  HFishbine   Nov-12-04 10:49 AM   #45 
           - Well, if nobody has a better argument...  AP   Nov-12-04 12:02 PM   #46 
              - I do.  MercutioATC   Nov-12-04 03:00 PM   #55 
                 - Demcorats registered more new voters than Republicans. I doubt that there  AP   Nov-12-04 03:14 PM   #58 
                    - I disagree. Dean would have brought more new voters to the polls.  MercutioATC   Nov-13-04 12:36 AM   #61 
                       - That Is Pure BS To Say Dean .........  angrydemocrat   Nov-16-04 02:57 AM   #88 
  - Jesus Christ himself could not have won this election  St. Jarvitude   Nov-12-04 12:32 AM   #12 
  - lol  lilfroggy   Nov-12-04 12:35 AM   #14 
  - Hi lilfroggy!!  newyawker99   Nov-12-04 06:41 PM   #59 
  - Jesus wouldn't have conceded  genius   Nov-12-04 12:41 AM   #16 
  - Jesus would forgive the Pukes, and then fight them.  St. Jarvitude   Nov-12-04 01:02 AM   #25 
  - So scarily true.  Pirate Smile   Nov-12-04 10:32 AM   #44 
  - The miracle of the loaves, the fishes and the Diebold tabulators  bklyncowgirl   Nov-12-04 02:21 PM   #51 
  - This is hillarious....  jhgatiss   Nov-14-04 11:43 PM   #76 
  - Dean wouldnt win  lilfroggy   Nov-12-04 12:35 AM   #13 
  - The Swift Boat vets wouldn't have come after Dean  genius   Nov-12-04 12:43 AM   #17 
  - They would have had Aspen Ski Bums for Truth instead talking about how  AP   Nov-12-04 12:54 AM   #21 
  - Aspin Ski Bums for Truth?? -- That cracks me up!!! LOL n/t  AmyCrat   Nov-12-04 12:59 AM   #23 
  - As for Dean calling the shots...  AP   Nov-12-04 01:07 AM   #27 
  - There was enough anti-war sentiment that Dean could have won,  MercutioATC   Nov-12-04 12:44 AM   #18 
     - The more people thought about the war, the less votes Dems were going...  AP   Nov-12-04 12:53 AM   #20 
     - "Dean didn't say much at all about anything but war"????  MercutioATC   Nov-12-04 12:57 AM   #22 
        - His persona was that of an anti-war candidate.  AP   Nov-12-04 01:00 AM   #24 
           - The MEDIA made him the "anti-war candidate", that wasn't his only message.  MercutioATC   Nov-12-04 09:04 AM   #35 
              - And it's not good to run candidates who are so out of control of their own  AP   Nov-12-04 10:10 AM   #42 
                 - I couldn't agree less.  MercutioATC   Nov-12-04 01:23 PM   #47 
                    - Dean himself said that the media representation of him wasn't the image  AP   Nov-12-04 02:06 PM   #49 
                    - Two things come to mind about Kerry during the election:  MercutioATC   Nov-12-04 02:41 PM   #53 
                       - Dean would have big problems with both. Aspen Ski Bums for Truth.  AP   Nov-12-04 03:11 PM   #56 
                       - Vietnam was only an issue because Kerry MADE it an issue.  MercutioATC   Nov-13-04 12:49 AM   #62 
                       - Talk about mixed messages!  dralston   Nov-15-04 03:21 PM   #81 
                    - What do you call the candidate who depends on new voters?  dralston   Nov-15-04 03:17 PM   #80 
     - "Dean had a consistent position on the war."  HFishbine   Nov-12-04 09:34 AM   #40 
  - not just hindsight, I could see it before & apparently so could the enemy  ever_green   Nov-12-04 01:04 AM   #26 
  - I think the Republicans wanted Dean in the GE. RW media give him so much  AP   Nov-12-04 01:09 AM   #29 
  - oh come on. kerry won.  bullimiami   Nov-12-04 01:12 AM   #30 
  - If Kerry chose Dean has his running mate  MIMIC   Nov-12-04 02:59 AM   #34 
  - The running mate issue  HFishbine   Nov-12-04 09:37 AM   #41 
     - Agreed. Dean wouldn't have added to a Kerry ticket.  MercutioATC   Nov-12-04 02:42 PM   #54 
  - In hindsight the corpse of J. Edgar Hoover or a pile of stale dog doo  tngledwebb   Nov-12-04 09:31 AM   #38 
  - I'm starting to agree.  MyPetRock   Nov-12-04 02:13 PM   #50 
  - noone would have won the fix was in  GoPsUx   Nov-12-04 02:30 PM   #52 
  - it really pisses people off when you say nice things about Dean  Cheswick   Nov-12-04 03:14 PM   #57 
  - Dean vs. E-voting machines  GuardingVirginia   Nov-13-04 12:53 AM   #63 
  - Dean and Growth  Gnscih   Nov-13-04 01:39 AM   #65 
  - I totally agree  ever_green   Nov-13-04 02:22 AM   #68 
  - I agree that the GOP wanted Dean out--so did the DNC  bklyncowgirl   Nov-13-04 06:37 AM   #70 
  - Sadly, you are incorrect  dralston   Nov-13-04 02:13 AM   #66 
  - Oh, O.K., that convinced me...  MercutioATC   Nov-13-04 02:17 AM   #67 
     - Good! Glad to be of help because  dralston   Nov-13-04 08:37 PM   #71 
        - I'm glad some people have a healthy fantasy life.  MercutioATC   Nov-14-04 02:02 AM   #72 
           - Iowa? New Hampshire?  dralston   Nov-14-04 06:12 PM   #73 
              - You're, of course, entitled to your opinion...  MercutioATC   Nov-14-04 08:43 PM   #74 
                 - The proposal of the thread is Dean would have won.  dralston   Nov-15-04 09:32 AM   #78 
                    - Yes, and I agree with that statement...  MercutioATC   Nov-15-04 02:17 PM   #79 
  - depends on if you ask the electorate, or Diebold. nt  UpsideDownFlag   Nov-13-04 02:57 AM   #69 
  - Is this a flame thrower topic? If it is or if not the heading is true. I  candy331   Nov-14-04 10:03 PM   #75 
  - I'm not so sure that Dean could have won...  jhgatiss   Nov-14-04 11:50 PM   #77 
  - ANYBODY could have won -  hippiegranny   Nov-15-04 03:21 PM   #82 
  - Dean was definately more electable than is why  googly   Nov-15-04 03:46 PM   #83 
  - Oh, please. Do you work for FOXNews?  dralston   Nov-15-04 03:53 PM   #84 
     - Since Kerry has never held an "executive" position, how could  googly   Nov-15-04 04:04 PM   #86 
        - Here's where you're wrong.  dralston   Nov-15-04 04:37 PM   #87 
  - What about Joementum  JOEMENTUMSUCKS   Nov-15-04 03:57 PM   #85 
  - My belief has always been....  lojasmo   Nov-16-04 06:06 AM   #89 
  - until Dean attacked big media, he had a shot  BlueInRed   Nov-16-04 09:11 AM   #90 

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