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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. THEN WHY AREN'T YOU BOTH DEMANDING THAT THEY
PROVE THE HONESTY AND INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTION? Doesn't democracy demand at least as much?

Instead, you try to prove the impossible, that the polls were faulty and by implication that there is no evidence of fraud to be extraolated from them!!!!
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  -Dr Ron Baiman: "CLEARLY A CRIME WAS COMMITTED IN OHIO" mod mom  Jun-08-06 01:23 PM   #0 
  - K&R  drm604   Jun-08-06 01:57 PM   #1 
  - Will Keith Olbermann ever cover this?  babsbunny   Jun-08-06 02:00 PM   #2 
  - I think he's been told no. Remember how he all of a sudden stopped  mod mom   Jun-08-06 02:05 PM   #4 
     - He's quoted in the RFK article. My take is that while he's not under  bleever   Jun-10-06 03:14 PM   #43 
  - Thank you so much for this post! I had missed it entirely--due to  Peace Patriot   Jun-08-06 02:00 PM   #3 
  - Ron Baiman is a gifted analyst. His work proves it. K&R  autorank   Jun-08-06 02:19 PM   #5 
  - Right you are, Auto, he is highly respected. Wish TIA was here to  mod mom   Jun-08-06 03:27 PM   #7 
  - why this is wrong  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-08-06 03:20 PM   #6 
  - "Everyone in the exit poll debate agrees that there was a  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-08-06 05:57 PM   #8 
  - what "pattern" are you describing?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-08-06 07:34 PM   #9 
     - This pattern  althecat   Jun-08-06 08:39 PM   #10 
     - OK, let me unpack this  Febble   Jun-09-06 03:47 AM   #17 
     - a quick note on response rates  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 04:32 AM   #20 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-06 03:06 PM   #24 
        - if you don't want to analyze exit polls, then don't  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 03:47 PM   #25 
           - How do you respond to this?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-09-06 05:30 PM   #26 
           - Do you have something to contribute  Febble   Jun-09-06 06:03 PM   #29 
              - "When exaggerated claims made using flawed arguments  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-09-06 07:03 PM   #30 
                 - Yes, I read Partridge's article  Febble   Jun-09-06 07:36 PM   #31 
                 - Why do you want to beleive so strongly that exit polls cannot prove fraud?  althecat   Jun-10-06 07:16 AM   #35 
                 - I don't "need" to believe it  Febble   Jun-10-06 07:45 AM   #37 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 03:55 PM   #45 
                    - I understand the word circular perfectly  Febble   Jun-10-06 04:19 PM   #46 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 05:11 PM   #52 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 05:31 PM   #53 
                             - I am ceasing my role in this sorry saga here and now.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 05:59 PM   #55 
                 - its  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-06 06:01 PM   #106 
           - I'm not going to need it. Nor are you, as it's all here for your  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-09-06 05:34 PM   #27 
           - begging your pardon  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 08:14 PM   #33 
              - No, it was a mistake in the first place. Except that I felt compelled  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 06:17 PM   #56 
                 - but you don't have the privilege of misstating my views  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-06 06:27 PM   #58 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 06:58 PM   #60 
                 - Just let me ask:  Febble   Jun-11-06 07:09 AM   #73 
                    - Certainly not! I haven't read the rest of your letter, yet, but I can  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 09:22 AM   #77 
                       - Well, it seems I do not  Febble   Jun-11-06 10:12 AM   #78 
                       - Why ON EARTH would it?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 10:31 AM   #80 
                          - Well?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 10:43 AM   #81 
                             - You said:  Febble   Jun-11-06 10:55 AM   #84 
                             - And apologies  Febble   Jun-11-06 11:20 AM   #86 
                                - You won't come round and break my legs, then?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 11:37 AM   #88 
                                - No, it seems  Febble   Jun-11-06 11:52 AM   #90 
                                - and  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-06 06:07 PM   #107 
                       - Golly, a second installment  Febble   Jun-11-06 10:52 AM   #83 
                          - Anonymous poster? Oh, my name's Paul Becke. It's more fun  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 11:33 AM   #87 
                             - Thanks for the name  Febble   Jun-11-06 11:49 AM   #89 
                                - I will check out your DKos diary, febble. I do recall however  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 12:32 PM   #92 
                                   - Kos  Febble   Jun-11-06 01:02 PM   #94 
                                      - That's fine by me. I feel I've always been at a disadvantge  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 01:56 PM   #97 
                                         - Agreed  Febble   Jun-11-06 02:05 PM   #98 
           - OTOH and Febble... I am inclined to agree strongly with your opponent here  althecat   Jun-10-06 06:58 AM   #34 
              - As I said in my other post to you  Febble   Jun-10-06 08:07 AM   #38 
              - first, thank you  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-06 08:22 AM   #39 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 03:32 PM   #44 
  - K & R  AtLiberty   Jun-08-06 08:45 PM   #11 
  - OTOH...as usual you  liam_laddie   Jun-09-06 12:30 AM   #13 
     - "politicians with cajones" -- we lost our best shot, Hackett  autorank   Jun-09-06 12:45 AM   #14 
     - I think there is a problem here  Febble   Jun-09-06 03:59 AM   #18 
     - here is how a science blogger sees the stakes  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 04:09 AM   #19 
        - Ok Febble/OTOH a change in tack - questions for you to answer?  althecat   Jun-10-06 07:20 AM   #36 
           - what "kind" of fraud?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-06 08:33 AM   #40 
              - Vote Switching... and Ballot Box Stuffing  althecat   Jun-10-06 06:49 PM   #59 
                 - I thought we covered this in November 2004  Awsi Dooger   Jun-10-06 09:36 PM   #63 
                 - Analysis of your data - The Figures  althecat   Jun-10-06 11:10 PM   #64 
                 - Analysis of your data - In words  althecat   Jun-10-06 11:24 PM   #66 
                    - just on the last part  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 06:20 AM   #70 
                    - Your ability to dismiss the usefullness of something you haven't seen  althecat   Jun-11-06 04:35 PM   #103 
                       - that might be because you didn't engage my argument  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 05:02 PM   #105 
                          - oh, I thought of a more generous reading  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 06:52 PM   #108 
                    - these percentage comparisons aren't very meaningful  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 07:24 AM   #74 
                    - But why wouldn't the new registrants be fanatically keen on voting  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 10:27 AM   #79 
                       - ok, then, your arguments stink: is that better?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 12:03 PM   #91 
                          - Excellent.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 02:40 PM   #99 
                    - It's not so much the scatter  Febble   Jun-11-06 07:34 AM   #75 
                 - I think there is some confusion here  Febble   Jun-11-06 04:55 AM   #69 
                 - sorry, just getting back to this  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 12:55 PM   #93 
  - Little reported knowledge about GOP fraud in NW Ohio in 2004  NWOhioDem   Jun-09-06 12:09 AM   #12 
  - Welcome to DU!!! What a great composite...bookmarked!!!  autorank   Jun-09-06 12:47 AM   #15 
  - Welcome to DU. I hope you have filed affidavits on the information you  mod mom   Jun-09-06 06:34 AM   #21 
  - The exit polls are merely one indicator and set of studies in a mountain  Peace Patriot   Jun-09-06 01:35 AM   #16 
  - but no  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 10:16 AM   #22 
  - You see the forest, as usual. There is an agenda involved here, remarkable  glitch   Jun-09-06 10:35 AM   #23 
     - You got it, but he doesn't want to know. None so blind...  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-09-06 05:48 PM   #28 
        - Five blind men and an Elephant  Febble   Jun-09-06 07:51 PM   #32 
           - Febble,in response to your suggest story, there are many aspects to our  mod mom   Jun-10-06 10:32 AM   #41 
              - Thanks for this response, mod mom,  Febble   Jun-10-06 11:48 AM   #42 
                 - Still can't see beyond that trunk, can you, Febble?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 04:19 PM   #47 
                    - Why would anyone laugh at my post?  Febble   Jun-10-06 04:20 PM   #48 
                       - Well, it would be what seems to be your implicit suggestion  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 04:31 PM   #49 
                          - Well, if I'm right  Febble   Jun-10-06 04:50 PM   #51 
                             - Well, if I'm right and the millions of votes weren't stolen, then it is  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 05:58 PM   #54 
                                - actually not  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-06 06:19 PM   #57 
                                   - You lose. There's no getting round it. The people here are not  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 07:04 PM   #61 
                                   - THEN WHY AREN'T YOU BOTH DEMANDING THAT THEY  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 07:13 PM   #62 
                                      - I am.  Febble   Jun-11-06 02:40 AM   #67 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-06 04:54 AM   #68 
  - New Baiman post on San Diego:  mod mom   Jun-10-06 04:49 PM   #50 
  - Why the Critics are Wrong  RonB   Jun-10-06 11:11 PM   #65 
  - well, no  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 06:33 AM   #71 
  - Hi, Ron.  Febble   Jun-11-06 06:47 AM   #72 
  - Missed a bit:  Febble   Jun-11-06 07:50 AM   #76 
  - The Critics are Dead Wrong and Have NO Explanations  RonB   Jun-11-06 02:57 PM   #100 
     - Ron, if we are going to debate this here  Febble   Jun-11-06 03:36 PM   #101 
     - OK, Ron, just keep escalating  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 04:24 PM   #102 
     - Slight Correction to Earlier Post  RonB   Jun-11-06 04:35 PM   #104 
        - And to mine  Febble   Jun-12-06 02:01 AM   #109 
  - For your delectation, Prebble:  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 10:51 AM   #82 
  - Do get my name right  Febble   Jun-11-06 11:01 AM   #85 
  - Arnebeck to OTOH:  mod mom   Jun-11-06 01:30 PM   #95 
  - that's not a response to OTOH at all  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 01:37 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-12-06 08:18 AM   #110 
     - Voter fraud was NOT the issue-cite your numerous cases of voter fraud.  mod mom   Jun-12-06 08:43 AM   #111 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-12-06 08:55 AM   #112 
 

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