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16. The exit polls are merely one indicator and set of studies in a mountain
of evidence that points overwhelmingly to a wrong outcome in 2004. This evidence begins with the deliberate creation of a NON-TRANSPARENT election system, run on "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, controlled by Bushite corporations (mainly Diebold and ES&S) during the 2002-2004 period--a coup that was engineered by the biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (and abetted by Bilderberg 'Democrat' Christopher Dodd), with the so-called "Help America Vote Act" (HAVA). In a very short time, this $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle greatly corrupted the voting systems in almost every state. That was its intent. These legislators and their corporate partners COULD HAVE created a transparent, verifiable election system. It is not difficult to do. They did just the opposite--they fought off even the most basic transparency features, such as a paper trail, and permitted election systems to be privatized and SECRETIZED in every way, while drenching them with money, and failing to fund or require proper regulation. (For instance, they permitted secret industry "testing" of the machines!) Election officials who resisted were bullied with draconian deadlines into purchasing insecure, unreliable and extremely hackable electronic voting systems, or face penalties.

This is the CONTEXT in which Kerry won the exit polls. The exit polls are the only verification tool we had in highly non-transparent conditions, and they showed a Kerry win. The corporate news monopolies then shut down the reporting system late on election day and DOCTORED their exit poll data--in impossible ways--to make it FIT the results of Diebold's and ES&S's secret vote tabulation formulae. When they were caught, by alert bloggers and experts who took screen shots of the real exit poll numbers before they were taken down, the pollster--one pollster hired by the news monopoly consortium--then started backfilling, and dissembling, and making things up to justify what they had done.

The CONTEXT of these dastardly deeds also includes the war on Iraq. The Bush junta and the war profiteering corporate news monopolies lied about THAT, TOO! With nearly 60% of the American people against that war from the beginning, and with people flocking to the Democratic Party in 2004 to oust Bush--the Dems had a blowout success in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40--there is no way they could have kept their boy, Bush, in the White House, and protected their war profits, war crimes and tax breaks WITHOUT fixing the election.

People come at this election fraud issue from the wrong direction. They presume the innocence of a government that has proven itself, time and again, to be a criminal enterprise, and they presume honesty by a corporate news establishment that has proven itself, time and again, to be a propaganda arm of the government!

You cannot and must not presume innocent by those in power when it comes to vote counting--let alone SECRET voting counting. These jokers must have been laughing all the way to Baghdad, knowing what they had cooked up here at home: TRADE SECRET VOTE COUNTING--by their bud, Wally O'Dell, at Diebold--a Bush/Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser, who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush/Cheney in 2004", and by ES&S, a spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture) initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things).

What a coup! Can anybody doubt what all this secrecy was FOR?

And....AND...Kerry won the real exit polls (before they doctored them to suppress strong evidence of the Kerry win).

The exit poll scam does not exist in isolation. It is not some pristine, theoretical mathematical problem. The polls said one thing; they changed them to say something else--that which would protect war profits, and gas gouging, and torture, and unjust war, and tax cuts for the super-rich.

And then--perhaps their foulest deed of all--for extra insurance, they picked on the poorest and the darkest skinned among us, the black voters of Ohio, for special treatment on election day: old black grandmothers standing in the rain for ten hours to vote; black felons who had served their time and won back their right to vote, called by the Texas Rangers and told they would return to jail if they showed up at the polling place; the black, the poor and the young deprived of precincts, lied to, purged, unfairly challenged, all over Ohio--by the most corrupt Republican establishment in the country (and that's saying something); and, in Florida, black voters who had names SIMILAR to convicted felons purged by the tens of the thousands from the voting rolls, and tens of thousands of absentee ballots 'diseappeared' in the mail in Democratic areas.

The Bushites spat on Martin Luther King's grave. They destroyed our finest achievement as a people, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. They dismantled them before our very eyes. I favor the theory that they did it for spite--out of sheer ugliness--but an alternative theory (and maybe both are true) is that Kerry's victory was much bigger than expected--a landslide victory, perhaps as much as by 8 million votes--and the voting machines could not handle it without exposing the rig to plain view (or because they had to be pre-programmed to certain percentages). So they had to engage in blatant, illegal vote suppression, and, of course, picked on the weakest and the poorest, as they always do.

CONTEXT, my friends. CONTEXT. Think about Katrina. Would people who would leave thousands of poor blacks to rot and die in a natural disaster be capable of such scumbag scheming as is evident in the passage of the "Help America Vote Act" by the Anthrax Congress, the FALSIFICATION of the only verification tool we had, the exit polls, and the dreadful, insulting, demeaning, Nazi treatment of black voters in the 2004 election?

Gee, I don't know. On the other hand, we could go on playing games about voting results that have been deliberately rendered non-transparent, and exit polls that were falsified to fit those non-transparent results, and never come to any conclusions at all.

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  -Dr Ron Baiman: "CLEARLY A CRIME WAS COMMITTED IN OHIO" mod mom  Jun-08-06 01:23 PM   #0 
  - K&R  drm604   Jun-08-06 01:57 PM   #1 
  - Will Keith Olbermann ever cover this?  babsbunny   Jun-08-06 02:00 PM   #2 
  - I think he's been told no. Remember how he all of a sudden stopped  mod mom   Jun-08-06 02:05 PM   #4 
     - He's quoted in the RFK article. My take is that while he's not under  bleever   Jun-10-06 03:14 PM   #43 
  - Thank you so much for this post! I had missed it entirely--due to  Peace Patriot   Jun-08-06 02:00 PM   #3 
  - Ron Baiman is a gifted analyst. His work proves it. K&R  autorank   Jun-08-06 02:19 PM   #5 
  - Right you are, Auto, he is highly respected. Wish TIA was here to  mod mom   Jun-08-06 03:27 PM   #7 
  - why this is wrong  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-08-06 03:20 PM   #6 
  - "Everyone in the exit poll debate agrees that there was a  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-08-06 05:57 PM   #8 
  - what "pattern" are you describing?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-08-06 07:34 PM   #9 
     - This pattern  althecat   Jun-08-06 08:39 PM   #10 
     - OK, let me unpack this  Febble   Jun-09-06 03:47 AM   #17 
     - a quick note on response rates  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 04:32 AM   #20 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-06 03:06 PM   #24 
        - if you don't want to analyze exit polls, then don't  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 03:47 PM   #25 
           - How do you respond to this?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-09-06 05:30 PM   #26 
           - Do you have something to contribute  Febble   Jun-09-06 06:03 PM   #29 
              - "When exaggerated claims made using flawed arguments  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-09-06 07:03 PM   #30 
                 - Yes, I read Partridge's article  Febble   Jun-09-06 07:36 PM   #31 
                 - Why do you want to beleive so strongly that exit polls cannot prove fraud?  althecat   Jun-10-06 07:16 AM   #35 
                 - I don't "need" to believe it  Febble   Jun-10-06 07:45 AM   #37 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 03:55 PM   #45 
                    - I understand the word circular perfectly  Febble   Jun-10-06 04:19 PM   #46 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 05:11 PM   #52 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 05:31 PM   #53 
                             - I am ceasing my role in this sorry saga here and now.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 05:59 PM   #55 
                 - its  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-06 06:01 PM   #106 
           - I'm not going to need it. Nor are you, as it's all here for your  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-09-06 05:34 PM   #27 
           - begging your pardon  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 08:14 PM   #33 
              - No, it was a mistake in the first place. Except that I felt compelled  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 06:17 PM   #56 
                 - but you don't have the privilege of misstating my views  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-06 06:27 PM   #58 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 06:58 PM   #60 
                 - Just let me ask:  Febble   Jun-11-06 07:09 AM   #73 
                    - Certainly not! I haven't read the rest of your letter, yet, but I can  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 09:22 AM   #77 
                       - Well, it seems I do not  Febble   Jun-11-06 10:12 AM   #78 
                       - Why ON EARTH would it?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 10:31 AM   #80 
                          - Well?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 10:43 AM   #81 
                             - You said:  Febble   Jun-11-06 10:55 AM   #84 
                             - And apologies  Febble   Jun-11-06 11:20 AM   #86 
                                - You won't come round and break my legs, then?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 11:37 AM   #88 
                                - No, it seems  Febble   Jun-11-06 11:52 AM   #90 
                                - and  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-06 06:07 PM   #107 
                       - Golly, a second installment  Febble   Jun-11-06 10:52 AM   #83 
                          - Anonymous poster? Oh, my name's Paul Becke. It's more fun  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 11:33 AM   #87 
                             - Thanks for the name  Febble   Jun-11-06 11:49 AM   #89 
                                - I will check out your DKos diary, febble. I do recall however  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 12:32 PM   #92 
                                   - Kos  Febble   Jun-11-06 01:02 PM   #94 
                                      - That's fine by me. I feel I've always been at a disadvantge  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 01:56 PM   #97 
                                         - Agreed  Febble   Jun-11-06 02:05 PM   #98 
           - OTOH and Febble... I am inclined to agree strongly with your opponent here  althecat   Jun-10-06 06:58 AM   #34 
              - As I said in my other post to you  Febble   Jun-10-06 08:07 AM   #38 
              - first, thank you  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-06 08:22 AM   #39 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-10-06 03:32 PM   #44 
  - K & R  AtLiberty   Jun-08-06 08:45 PM   #11 
  - usual you  liam_laddie   Jun-09-06 12:30 AM   #13 
     - "politicians with cajones" -- we lost our best shot, Hackett  autorank   Jun-09-06 12:45 AM   #14 
     - I think there is a problem here  Febble   Jun-09-06 03:59 AM   #18 
     - here is how a science blogger sees the stakes  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 04:09 AM   #19 
        - Ok Febble/OTOH a change in tack - questions for you to answer?  althecat   Jun-10-06 07:20 AM   #36 
           - what "kind" of fraud?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-06 08:33 AM   #40 
              - Vote Switching... and Ballot Box Stuffing  althecat   Jun-10-06 06:49 PM   #59 
                 - I thought we covered this in November 2004  Awsi Dooger   Jun-10-06 09:36 PM   #63 
                 - Analysis of your data - The Figures  althecat   Jun-10-06 11:10 PM   #64 
                 - Analysis of your data - In words  althecat   Jun-10-06 11:24 PM   #66 
                    - just on the last part  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 06:20 AM   #70 
                    - Your ability to dismiss the usefullness of something you haven't seen  althecat   Jun-11-06 04:35 PM   #103 
                       - that might be because you didn't engage my argument  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 05:02 PM   #105 
                          - oh, I thought of a more generous reading  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 06:52 PM   #108 
                    - these percentage comparisons aren't very meaningful  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 07:24 AM   #74 
                    - But why wouldn't the new registrants be fanatically keen on voting  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 10:27 AM   #79 
                       - ok, then, your arguments stink: is that better?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 12:03 PM   #91 
                          - Excellent.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 02:40 PM   #99 
                    - It's not so much the scatter  Febble   Jun-11-06 07:34 AM   #75 
                 - I think there is some confusion here  Febble   Jun-11-06 04:55 AM   #69 
                 - sorry, just getting back to this  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 12:55 PM   #93 
  - Little reported knowledge about GOP fraud in NW Ohio in 2004  NWOhioDem   Jun-09-06 12:09 AM   #12 
  - Welcome to DU!!! What a great composite...bookmarked!!!  autorank   Jun-09-06 12:47 AM   #15 
  - Welcome to DU. I hope you have filed affidavits on the information you  mod mom   Jun-09-06 06:34 AM   #21 
  - The exit polls are merely one indicator and set of studies in a mountain  Peace Patriot   Jun-09-06 01:35 AM   #16 
  - but no  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-09-06 10:16 AM   #22 
  - You see the forest, as usual. There is an agenda involved here, remarkable  glitch   Jun-09-06 10:35 AM   #23 
     - You got it, but he doesn't want to know. None so blind...  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-09-06 05:48 PM   #28 
        - Five blind men and an Elephant  Febble   Jun-09-06 07:51 PM   #32 
           - Febble,in response to your suggest story, there are many aspects to our  mod mom   Jun-10-06 10:32 AM   #41 
              - Thanks for this response, mod mom,  Febble   Jun-10-06 11:48 AM   #42 
                 - Still can't see beyond that trunk, can you, Febble?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 04:19 PM   #47 
                    - Why would anyone laugh at my post?  Febble   Jun-10-06 04:20 PM   #48 
                       - Well, it would be what seems to be your implicit suggestion  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 04:31 PM   #49 
                          - Well, if I'm right  Febble   Jun-10-06 04:50 PM   #51 
                             - Well, if I'm right and the millions of votes weren't stolen, then it is  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 05:58 PM   #54 
                                - actually not  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-10-06 06:19 PM   #57 
                                   - You lose. There's no getting round it. The people here are not  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 07:04 PM   #61 
                                   - THEN WHY AREN'T YOU BOTH DEMANDING THAT THEY  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-10-06 07:13 PM   #62 
                                      - I am.  Febble   Jun-11-06 02:40 AM   #67 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-06 04:54 AM   #68 
  - New Baiman post on San Diego:  mod mom   Jun-10-06 04:49 PM   #50 
  - Why the Critics are Wrong  RonB   Jun-10-06 11:11 PM   #65 
  - well, no  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 06:33 AM   #71 
  - Hi, Ron.  Febble   Jun-11-06 06:47 AM   #72 
  - Missed a bit:  Febble   Jun-11-06 07:50 AM   #76 
  - The Critics are Dead Wrong and Have NO Explanations  RonB   Jun-11-06 02:57 PM   #100 
     - Ron, if we are going to debate this here  Febble   Jun-11-06 03:36 PM   #101 
     - OK, Ron, just keep escalating  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 04:24 PM   #102 
     - Slight Correction to Earlier Post  RonB   Jun-11-06 04:35 PM   #104 
        - And to mine  Febble   Jun-12-06 02:01 AM   #109 
  - For your delectation, Prebble:  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-11-06 10:51 AM   #82 
  - Do get my name right  Febble   Jun-11-06 11:01 AM   #85 
  - Arnebeck to OTOH:  mod mom   Jun-11-06 01:30 PM   #95 
  - that's not a response to OTOH at all  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-11-06 01:37 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-12-06 08:18 AM   #110 
     - Voter fraud was NOT the issue-cite your numerous cases of voter fraud.  mod mom   Jun-12-06 08:43 AM   #111 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-12-06 08:55 AM   #112 

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