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Febble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:58 PM
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76. Re Franklin
When I first looked at this, my estimate was that around 18,000 votes were lost, of which about two thirds would have been for Kerry, 40% for Bush, and the remainder for independents, making an 8000 dent in Bush's margin.

This was assuming that the turnout differential observed in precincts in which the supply of machines per active voter was below the median would have been the same as that in precincts above the median.

However, on further investigation, I found that turnout in 2000 figures appeared to have been used to allocate machines (or similar figures) which meant that it is not legitimate to extrapolate observed turnout figures from the adequately-supplied precincts to the potential turnout in the inadequately supplied precincts. So I think the 8000 is probably a generous maximum, although I am prepared to be persuaded otherwise.

What is absolutely clear is that Democratic precincts in Franklin county were systematically provided with fewer machines per active voter, although whether this was due to conspiracy, incompetence or bad luck is up to you to say. I'd put it somewhere between the first two, but I'm not in a position to judge.

My paper is still posted here:

despite the fact that the site host thinks I am an incompetent liar.
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  -Fitrakis responds to Manjoo's Salon article: mod mom  Jun-05-06 07:07 AM   #0 
  - K & R  Dragon Turtle   Jun-05-06 07:20 AM   #1 
  - proving once again that republicans HATE  xchrom   Jun-05-06 07:20 AM   #2 
  - Not to mention their loathing of democratic principles.  Pacifist Patriot   Jun-05-06 07:42 PM   #47 
  - Smack!  MelissaB   Jun-05-06 07:22 AM   #3 
  - Where did this article appear, I hope Salon will print it as a response to  bunny planet   Jun-05-06 07:23 AM   #4 
  - Bob sent this to me & asked if I would post it here. I have also posted  mod mom   Jun-05-06 08:13 AM   #8 
  - Could he submit it to the Huffington Post?  bleever   Jun-05-06 11:53 AM   #26 
  - Usually, Fitrakis' stuff is published at, but not this..  eppur_se_muova   Jun-05-06 06:12 PM   #43 
  - Ouch! It must suck to be Fathead Manjoo!  farmbo   Jun-05-06 07:42 AM   #5 
  - As a lifelong Cincinnatian...  slor   Jun-05-06 07:46 AM   #6 
  - I grew up in Concord Southwest precinct,  PegDAC   Jun-05-06 04:26 PM   #38 
  - Even if Manjoo were right/correct, he'd still be way wrong  Land Shark   Jun-05-06 08:06 AM   #7 
  - thank you for taking the time to explain all this, Land Shark.  pnwmom   Jun-05-06 10:51 AM   #23 
  - Over at Digby...guest blogger Tristero was asking for a rebuttal to  KoKo01   Jun-05-06 08:16 AM   #9 
  - posted it as a comment at digby.  mod mom   Jun-05-06 08:37 AM   #10 
     - i posted a reply at haloscan with a link to this thread and my GD-P thread  Land Shark   Jun-05-06 08:41 AM   #11 
  - Manjoo Was Completely Wrong About the Registration Purges  ribofunk   Jun-05-06 08:42 AM   #12 
  - Registration Purges:  mod mom   Jun-05-06 09:06 AM   #14 
     - Excellent  ribofunk   Jun-05-06 12:53 PM   #28 
        - I don't think  Febble   Jun-05-06 02:11 PM   #32 
        - Maybe I Was Reading Biased Sources,  ribofunk   Jun-06-06 09:55 AM   #65 
        - I'm lost -- spoiled ballots?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-05-06 03:27 PM   #35 
           - So how many votes would you speculate were switched?  Usrename   Jun-05-06 04:08 PM   #37 
           - in the machines?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-05-06 04:48 PM   #39 
              - What is curious about that...  BeFree   Jun-05-06 11:14 PM   #51 
                 - well, the study is wrong  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 05:30 AM   #55 
                    - That's plain old cherry picking  BeFree   Jun-06-06 09:22 AM   #63 
                       - well, according to Dopp herself  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 10:46 AM   #70 
                          - The thing is...  BeFree   Jun-06-06 11:25 AM   #72 
                             - "or whatever it is you are trying to do"  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 12:13 PM   #74 
                                - Yeah, I know where you stand  BeFree   Jun-06-06 12:47 PM   #75 
           - Here is a study of PV in Franklin (1 out of 88) alone:  mod mom   Jun-06-06 07:12 AM   #57 
           - this is helpful, but let's interpret it  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 07:54 AM   #59 
              - Let's discuss processing dates, from SOS report:  mod mom   Jun-06-06 08:09 AM   #60 
              - well, what do you think happened?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 08:33 AM   #62 
                 - Sworn testimony from a BOE Chair with obvious discrepancy warrants  mod mom   Jun-06-06 09:38 AM   #64 
                    - I'm happy to see full investigation  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 10:18 AM   #68 
              - Whistle blower Sherole Eaton on Voter Registration Shredding  mod mom   Jun-06-06 08:18 AM   #61 
           - Hi, Dale,  ribofunk   Jun-06-06 10:04 AM   #66 
              - hey, I'm not Dale!  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 10:43 AM   #69 
                 - Sorry, Mark, I Disrespected both You and Time for Change  ribofunk   Jun-06-06 11:17 AM   #71 
                 - oh, goodness, no, that was just a goof  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 12:11 PM   #73 
                 - Re Franklin  Febble   Jun-06-06 03:58 PM   #76 
                    - there must be a typo here  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-07-06 05:13 PM   #77 
                       - yeah, you are right  Febble   Jun-07-06 06:10 PM   #78 
  - Bob's Blog:  mod mom   Jun-05-06 08:46 AM   #13 
  - That link doesn't work for me. This one does:  Jim Sagle   Jun-05-06 09:47 AM   #16 
  - You could also post it in Salon's letter section:  Jim Sagle   Jun-05-06 09:45 AM   #15 
  - I tried but believe you must be a member. If anyone has privileges:  mod mom   Jun-05-06 09:56 AM   #17 
  - Done  reichstag911   Jun-05-06 10:37 AM   #22 
  - Must write and thank Bob.  redqueen   Jun-05-06 09:57 AM   #18 
  - How does Manjoo get to call himself a 'journalist' ?  EVDebs   Jun-05-06 09:58 AM   #19 
  - Where was Fitrakis's article originally published?  rainy   Jun-05-06 10:19 AM   #20 
  - It was posted here:  mod mom   Jun-05-06 10:21 AM   #21 
  - Salon and Manjoo are guilty of HOLIER THAN THOU "CENTRISM"  nashville_brook   Jun-05-06 11:11 AM   #24 
  - I wonder if both of their readers will notice. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-05-06 11:30 AM   #25 
  - Freepress release Baiman articles to support JFK Jr Analysis  mod mom   Jun-05-06 12:33 PM   #27 
  - Majoo - the main reason I stopped subscribing to Salon  Laurab   Jun-05-06 12:58 PM   #29 
  - Salon editors email address  merkins   Jun-05-06 01:04 PM   #30 
  - Simple math....  BeFree   Jun-05-06 01:55 PM   #31 
  - And about the DNC report on the Ohio election...  srose14   Jun-05-06 02:23 PM   #33 
  - Welcome to DU srose14. Thanks for your comments. It just amazes  mod mom   Jun-05-06 02:43 PM   #34 
     - There is this theory that PNAC is infiltrating the DNC....  BrklynLiberal   Jun-05-06 05:12 PM   #42 
     - I have said will say again: If Congress and certain Dems were so  Raster   Jun-05-06 08:02 PM   #48 
  - Kicking for Math!  IdaBriggs   Jun-05-06 03:50 PM   #36 
  - Thanks for this  cryingshame   Jun-05-06 04:54 PM   #40 
  - Wow!Sure makes one wonder why published the Manjoo article!  BrklynLiberal   Jun-05-06 05:02 PM   #41 
  - Thank you for posting this. Seriously. I was a paying Premier member of  Raster   Jun-05-06 06:36 PM   #44 
  - Nice article  Cronus Protagonist   Jun-05-06 06:37 PM   #45 
  - An Additional Response  RonB   Jun-05-06 07:15 PM   #46 
  - Welcome to DU. Thanks for the post.  mod mom   Jun-05-06 08:02 PM   #49 
  - Thanks Mod for posting this info  dael4   Jun-05-06 10:50 PM   #50 
     - Another stinging blog for 6/6/06 from Bob  mod mom   Jun-06-06 07:48 AM   #58 
  - I note, Ron  Febble   Jun-06-06 02:17 AM   #52 
  - Your positions have been proven incorrect already  charliecat   Jun-06-06 03:14 AM   #53 
     - Hi, Charliecat  Febble   Jun-06-06 03:42 AM   #54 
     - "proven"??  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-06-06 06:06 AM   #56 
     - Thanks charliecat,  BeFree   Jun-06-06 10:15 AM   #67 
  - More Manjoo Fallacies and Lack of Comprehension  RonB   Jun-07-06 11:51 PM   #79 
     - Ron, you appear to be issuing a challenge  Febble   Jun-08-06 02:14 AM   #80 
     - Thanks for your information. I hope we can take this information to court  mod mom   Jun-08-06 06:59 AM   #81 
     - I think I can help you with this one:  Febble   Jun-08-06 08:35 AM   #82 
     - Correction  Febble   Jun-08-06 09:53 AM   #83 
     - sigh  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-08-06 09:59 AM   #84 
        - Interesting  BeFree   Jun-08-06 11:15 AM   #86 
  - All you had to do in Butler & WArren county was feed the punchcards after  rosebud57   Jun-08-06 11:05 AM   #85 
     - right, and that could have happened in other counties too  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-08-06 11:18 AM   #87 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-08-06 11:21 AM   #88 

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