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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 06:20 PM
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57. OK
You wrote:
But actually, surprisingly enough, it turns out that neither of these hypotheses are consistent with what we now know about the exit poll data.

What you profess, and what we KNOW about the exit-poll data are two different things. Not until you come to the conclusion that the uncooked, raw data is THE data to use, there will be no further discussion from me.

When looking at the real, raw data, (before it was mixed with the report numbers), there appears a remarkable alteration from the election reports. That alteration could have come only from fraud, and that widespread fraud could only come from electronic manipulation.

You don't believe the election was stolen. I do believe it was stolen. You don't think this cabal would take advantage of a loose election process. End of discussion.


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  -They wouldn't do That! : Steal an Election? BeFree  Jan-02-06 08:36 PM   #0 
  - they stole 2000  Cocoa   Jan-02-06 08:42 PM   #1 
  - they rigged 2004  savemefromdumbya   Jan-02-06 08:44 PM   #2 
  - WTF????  we can do it   Jan-02-06 08:45 PM   #4 
  - Are you kidding? They sure the hell did!  WannaJumpMyScooter   Jan-02-06 08:45 PM   #5 
  - interesting  Cocoa   Jan-02-06 09:07 PM   #8 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-06 12:48 AM   #13 
     - I stopped reading the first link when I hit this:  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-03-06 07:52 AM   #15 
        - Where do you get those numbers for Vermont?  WannaJumpMyScooter   Jan-03-06 08:10 AM   #16 
        - well, I got them from  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-03-06 08:38 AM   #18 
        - oh, one more thing about 2004  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-03-06 09:02 AM   #19 
     - yeah, these 9 states need a closer look  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-03-06 07:07 AM   #14 
     - Well I'd like provenance on those plots too  Febble   Jan-03-06 08:30 AM   #17 
  - Gawd, is that tiring  BeFree   Jan-02-06 08:46 PM   #6 
  - my basis for not believing 2004 was stolen isn't that they WOULDN'T  Cocoa   Jan-02-06 09:03 PM   #7 
     - Are you high? There is just as much evidence that 2004 was stolen.  organik   Jan-05-06 10:59 AM   #88 
  - So they didn't take advantage of their own system?  pauldp   Jan-02-06 10:03 PM   #10 
     - I read both the Conyers Report and the GAO Report  Cocoa   Jan-02-06 10:20 PM   #11 
        - The point is they could have. Easily, and without detection. n/t  pauldp   Jan-03-06 12:01 PM   #20 
           - How?  Febble   Jan-03-06 12:09 PM   #21 
              - You know you are right.  pauldp   Jan-03-06 04:34 PM   #22 
              - Well, I think  Febble   Jan-03-06 04:45 PM   #23 
              - I don't know. My point is there is a reason we have the system  pauldp   Jan-03-06 05:21 PM   #25 
              - Well, you may be right.  Febble   Jan-03-06 05:26 PM   #27 
              - well, the only thing is...  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-03-06 05:57 PM   #29 
              - How was it done?!?!?!  BeFree   Jan-03-06 06:34 PM   #31 
              - But don't you think  Febble   Jan-04-06 01:39 AM   #33 
                 - Yeah....me  BeFree   Jan-04-06 07:40 AM   #42 
                 - Well, that's my point, really  Febble   Jan-04-06 08:17 AM   #44 
                    - You just don't get it, do you?  BeFree   Jan-04-06 08:55 AM   #46 
                       - if you gave more informative answers to her questions  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-04-06 09:16 AM   #47 
                       - OK  BeFree   Jan-04-06 06:27 PM   #58 
                          - you have very little clue what I have done  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-04-06 07:14 PM   #63 
                             - So, you are one of them....  BeFree   Jan-04-06 07:36 PM   #65 
                                - actually  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-04-06 08:01 PM   #68 
                                   - I can't educate you.  BeFree   Jan-05-06 06:51 PM   #98 
                                      - no, I'm not asking you to educate me  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 08:44 PM   #99 
                       - Let me try to be clearer:  Febble   Jan-04-06 10:03 AM   #48 
                          - OK  BeFree   Jan-04-06 06:20 PM   #57 
                             - OK  Febble   Jan-04-06 06:48 PM   #62 
                                - HAH!  BeFree   Jan-04-06 07:46 PM   #66 
                                   - This is the real raw data.  Febble   Jan-04-06 07:59 PM   #67 
                 - Actual photo taken early a.m. of election day in Ohio:  eomer   Jan-04-06 07:48 AM   #43 
                    - Hey!  Febble   Jan-04-06 02:12 PM   #51 
              - ALL OF THE ABOVE! that is the whole point. have you read Mark  Amaryllis   Jan-04-06 10:19 PM   #70 
              - well, I think we are talking past each other  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-06-06 05:52 AM   #102 
              - all of the above  marions ghost   Jan-10-06 09:37 PM   #106 
              - something else struck me as I read that back-and-forth  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-03-06 05:05 PM   #24 
                 - Well, yes, I do worry about the machines  Febble   Jan-03-06 05:22 PM   #26 
                    - you're right, the technical front end needs more attention too  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-03-06 05:35 PM   #28 
                    - A couple of points.  eomer   Jan-04-06 06:51 AM   #39 
                    - Thanks  Febble   Jan-04-06 07:07 AM   #40 
                       - Or another possibility - that vote switching by way of rigged software  eomer   Jan-04-06 07:30 AM   #41 
                          - I agree  Febble   Jan-04-06 08:20 AM   #45 
                    - Not sure why it seems so difficult  Chi   Jan-04-06 04:40 PM   #54 
                       - Funnily enough  Febble   Jan-04-06 06:38 PM   #60 
                          - I suggested a percentage vote swing from the actual vote.  Chi   Jan-04-06 10:33 PM   #71 
                          - Well that algorithm  Febble   Jan-05-06 02:35 AM   #72 
                          - Chi, I have other complementary answers  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 07:53 AM   #75 
                             - Understood  Chi   Jan-05-06 08:14 AM   #77 
                                - yes, not a fond memory...  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 09:13 AM   #78 
                                   - As far as I know  Chi   Jan-05-06 09:20 AM   #79 
                                      - not exactly  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 09:49 AM   #81 
                                         - I forgot the 3% hand count were whole precincts....  Chi   Jan-05-06 09:57 AM   #83 
                                         - But then again, just rereading the Cuyahoga witness reports makes  Chi   Jan-05-06 10:15 AM   #85 
                                            - not so hard to elude the recount if you control it, true  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 05:19 PM   #96 
                                            - I'm not sure how many BoE members would need to collude.  eomer   Jan-05-06 09:11 PM   #100 
                                            - you may be right on both counts  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-06-06 05:17 AM   #101 
                          - Correction, I wasn't clear  Febble   Jan-05-06 05:14 AM   #73 
                             - Thanx for the links  Chi   Jan-05-06 07:58 AM   #76 
                                - Well, the first plot  Febble   Jan-05-06 09:30 AM   #80 
                                - Don't spend alot of your time on it  Chi   Jan-05-06 09:51 AM   #82 
                                   - I won't  Febble   Jan-05-06 10:33 AM   #87 
                                      - Ummm  Chi   Jan-05-06 11:04 AM   #89 
                                         - OK  Febble   Jan-05-06 11:13 AM   #90 
                                - what level?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 10:09 AM   #84 
                                   - Hmmm....after re-reading the witness reports  Chi   Jan-05-06 10:20 AM   #86 
                                      - lessee...  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 11:55 AM   #91 
                                         - Question  Chi   Jan-05-06 04:23 PM   #92 
                                            - you call it "protest," I call it "future president" ;)  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 04:56 PM   #94 
                                               - That is what I tried the first time, but will try it again later.  Chi   Jan-06-06 07:30 AM   #103 
                                               - hmm, works for me, but I've added an XLS version. n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-06-06 08:17 AM   #104 
                          - New scenario  Chi   Jan-05-06 04:32 PM   #93 
                             - I don't have a problem with that  Febble   Jan-05-06 05:03 PM   #95 
              - If I was going to do it, and had the resources they had  WannaJumpMyScooter   Jan-03-06 10:30 PM   #32 
                 - Yes, I would do it that way too.  Febble   Jan-04-06 01:46 AM   #34 
                    - Never been involved in an intelligence op,  WannaJumpMyScooter   Jan-04-06 03:15 AM   #35 
                       - No  Febble   Jan-04-06 03:45 AM   #36 
                          - The opportunity was created. The machine will  WannaJumpMyScooter   Jan-04-06 04:33 AM   #37 
                             - But what you seem to be saying  Febble   Jan-04-06 05:08 AM   #38 
  - You forgot Haitti and how the Bush Administration  WCGreen   Jan-02-06 08:45 PM   #3 
  - They did and they will again  Oversea Visitor   Jan-02-06 09:44 PM   #9 
  - now, as to who wrote it?  WannaJumpMyScooter   Jan-02-06 11:43 PM   #12 
     - Nope  BeFree   Jan-03-06 06:16 PM   #30 
        - The fact that we...  kster   Jan-04-06 12:15 PM   #49 
           - sorry, but I don't accept the analogy  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-04-06 12:37 PM   #50 
              - All You Need to Know in this Book  Trinity56   Jan-04-06 03:29 PM   #52 
              - I like the book, but it didn't convince me either, at least...  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-04-06 04:03 PM   #53 
              - You would need statistical analysis to know  kster   Jan-04-06 05:48 PM   #55 
                 - I think you missed his subject header  Febble   Jan-04-06 06:04 PM   #56 
                    - Even after the hack in Florida  kster   Jan-04-06 06:31 PM   #59 
                       - Flags I have no problem with  Febble   Jan-04-06 06:41 PM   #61 
                       - for better or for worse, "the voter" isn't warring for paper ballots  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-04-06 07:28 PM   #64 
                          - There are a few fighting for it  kster   Jan-04-06 08:43 PM   #69 
                             - sure, there are people fighting for paper  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-05-06 07:28 AM   #74 
                                - There are two opinions  kster   Jan-05-06 05:29 PM   #97 
                                   - We do own the airwaves and Diebold doesn't own our votes.  autorank   Jan-06-06 09:42 AM   #105 
 

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