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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. "They need to be educated, not brainwashed."

While I waste my time trying to explain things to a stone, my colleagues are publishing their books about why Bush won. Not only do they not accept TIA's arguments, they don't even care. Frankly, "intelligent design" or probably even young-earth creationism is more pertinent to expert debate than TIA's notions about how the polls prove that Kerry won.

This isn't to say that TIA is wrong, although I believe that he is. It is to say that, so far, he is irrelevant outside a fairly small subculture. One does need to consider this in deciding how much time to spend explaining why his arguments haven't convinced many experts.

Here's a fun one: "The undecideds invariably break for the challenger - especially when the incumbent has a 48.5% job approval." I'm sure that is based on extensive empirical evidence... not.

Let's see, the last time a challenger beat an incumbent was in 1992. I see six pre-election polls: Clinton +6, +12, +8, +8, +7, +8. Clinton final margin +6.
And this was in a year where the incumbent had an approval rating under 40%, and interest and turnout were relatively high. Hmm....
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  -Channel the TRUTH: Gore won. Kerry won. Naysayer heads will explode now autorank  Dec-01-05 01:08 PM   #0 
  - Excellent stuff that our media will ignore.  papau   Dec-01-05 01:29 PM   #1 
  - True. here's a little memory I treasure:  robbedvoter   Dec-01-05 02:00 PM   #3 
  - He inserted his own data into Ohio and Florida.  electropop   Dec-02-05 10:21 AM   #49 
  - Can we get Al Gore WITHOUT Lieberman? nm  texpatriot2004   Dec-01-05 02:08 PM   #4 
  - Indeed. That combination actually made me quite nervous.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-01-05 03:07 PM   #10 
  - texpatriot2004 You're channelling me! Gore-Clark!  autorank   Dec-01-05 03:08 PM   #11 
  - Love that combination nm  texpatriot2004   Dec-01-05 04:56 PM   #17 
  - that would be beautiful.  nashville_brook   Dec-01-05 10:28 PM   #33 
  - Gore NOW  Usrename   Dec-02-05 12:57 AM   #36 
     - It's my favorite Username  autorank   Dec-02-05 02:44 AM   #38 
        - Hey, Dubbya's dropping through the magic 35%  Usrename   Dec-02-05 03:17 AM   #41 
           - Thanks to you Username for your crisp analysis.  autorank   Dec-03-05 01:53 AM   #69 
  - my thoughts exactly  Peggy Day   Dec-03-05 10:03 AM   #73 
  - The silent press is complicit. K&R  Angry Girl   Dec-01-05 02:15 PM   #5 
  - Why do people keep saying, "I can 't believe the media isn't reporting  babsbunny   Dec-01-05 02:31 PM   #6 
     - You're right  Angry Girl   Dec-01-05 02:47 PM   #7 
     - Their tale would be telling....  autorank   Dec-01-05 08:48 PM   #29 
     - It is interesting to look at the companies who own the media and the  Amaryllis   Dec-08-05 08:33 PM   #93 
  - re-elect president gore  mopinko   Dec-01-05 02:49 PM   #8 
  - that's a lot of mistakes for just one post  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-01-05 02:50 PM   #9 
  - Dear Autorank, you trueheart, you patriot, it's becoming so obvious that  Peace Patriot   Dec-01-05 03:40 PM   #12 
  - Peace be with you. Simplicity plus the substrate...  autorank   Dec-01-05 03:51 PM   #13 
  - I'm a BIG fan of yours, Autorank!  Peace Patriot   Dec-01-05 04:02 PM   #14 
  - You need to hang out in the Astrology forum more often  autorank   Dec-01-05 08:40 PM   #28 
  - HAVA is what will get folks interested. Most people have no idea what  KoKo01   Dec-01-05 10:47 PM   #34 
  - Well do check out  Febble   Dec-01-05 04:44 PM   #16 
  - Well, have it your way  Febble   Dec-01-05 04:05 PM   #15 
  - We agree--the fact that there is a question states the problem clearly.  autorank   Dec-01-05 05:17 PM   #18 
  - Well, thank, auto!  Febble   Dec-01-05 05:28 PM   #19 
  - Out of curiosity  Chi   Dec-01-05 06:07 PM   #20 
     - I don't know  Febble   Dec-01-05 07:21 PM   #23 
  - Can a FAKE President, appoint judges? Somebody needs to  Joanne98   Dec-01-05 06:51 PM   #21 
  - Joanne98. Couldn't agree more! Judge Abner Mikva said the same,  autorank   Dec-01-05 08:37 PM   #27 
  - According to TIA's definition, I qualify as a "naysayer".  kiwi_expat   Dec-01-05 06:55 PM   #22 
  - I assume everyone knows and agrees that Gore won; but Kerry also appears  philb   Dec-01-05 07:52 PM   #24 
  - You state the distilled truth: "more organized and diverse..."  autorank   Dec-01-05 08:35 PM   #26 
  - Gore won, but Kerry lost  Cocoa   Dec-01-05 08:11 PM   #25 
  - Have you bothered to look at the evidence?  philb   Dec-03-05 07:58 AM   #71 
     - dialogue of the deaf?  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-03-05 08:36 AM   #72 
  - With no verifiable vote  PATRICK   Dec-01-05 09:00 PM   #30 
  - Very well said. An empty war chest in the hands of a reluctant  autorank   Dec-02-05 02:58 AM   #39 
     - he did throw in the towel  Neil B Forzod   Dec-02-05 03:09 AM   #40 
  - Bravo! K & R. What will it take to make more people aware that the last  Nothing Without Hope   Dec-01-05 09:39 PM   #31 
  - i can tell heads are exploding b/c  nashville_brook   Dec-01-05 10:24 PM   #32 
  - Send this post to Krugman. I think he's ready for even more truth:  understandinglife   Dec-02-05 12:00 AM   #35 
  - these posts are great  Neil B Forzod   Dec-02-05 02:32 AM   #37 
  - Wow  Febble   Dec-02-05 06:56 AM   #42 
     - I should also make it clear  Febble   Dec-02-05 11:38 AM   #52 
  - That Channeling Must Be Working.  AuntiBush   Dec-02-05 07:31 AM   #43 
  - As usual Autorank-YOU ROCK! Why won't the MSM embrace the GAO Report?  mod mom   Dec-02-05 08:09 AM   #44 
  - As usual, we will have to force their attention on the GAO report  katinmn   Dec-02-05 08:38 AM   #45 
  - Here is a ray of hope in the DNC:  mod mom   Dec-02-05 08:57 AM   #46 
  - CM (corporate media) and GAO....CM is the subject of the report  autorank   Dec-02-05 12:06 PM   #53 
  - TIA didn't learn anything here  foo_bar   Dec-02-05 09:51 AM   #47 
  - The burden of proof is NOT on us  pat_k   Dec-02-05 10:18 AM   #48 
  - The answer: It takes way too much time to read the mind numbingly dry  rosebud57   Dec-02-05 10:27 AM   #50 
  - Yes. As I point out above, simple truths are lost in detailed argument and  pat_k   Dec-02-05 10:31 AM   #51 
  - IS a GREAT site.  autorank   Dec-02-05 12:10 PM   #54 
  - And none of the super serious election fraud web sites will link to it  rosebud57   Dec-02-05 06:05 PM   #64 
  - The odd thing about the statistical debate  PATRICK   Dec-02-05 12:52 PM   #55 
  - kick  BamaBecky   Dec-02-05 01:09 PM   #56 
  - Measuring accuracy in TIA's prediction.  autorank   Dec-02-05 02:51 PM   #57 
  - "the final TIA poll" is contradicted by, well, the actual polls  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-02-05 03:37 PM   #58 
  - ah, TIA seems to be channeling himself elsewhere on the Net  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-02-05 05:51 PM   #63 
  - "A job once well done is twice done" Correction to my post #57  autorank   Dec-02-05 04:12 PM   #59 
     - Let me get this straight:  Febble   Dec-02-05 04:41 PM   #60 
        - well, TIA said two things, both rather odd  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-02-05 05:07 PM   #61 
           - Ah!  Febble   Dec-02-05 05:43 PM   #62 
  - Probability Questions & Poll Accuracy, the Muse Speaks  autorank   Dec-02-05 07:02 PM   #65 
  - whoa: I actually AM arguing with a stone... cool...  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-02-05 07:25 PM   #66 
  - Qualification:  Febble   Dec-03-05 04:51 AM   #70 
     - Update  Febble   Dec-03-05 12:52 PM   #76 
        - yes, Wang gets big points for isolating crucial assumptions:  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-03-05 02:09 PM   #77 
  - i am new to the stolen election based on poll result debate  onthebench   Dec-02-05 09:48 PM   #67 
  - Welcome to DU! Unfortunately, there's spin everywhere, some of it  autorank   Dec-03-05 01:47 AM   #68 
  - E/M, and the census  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-03-05 10:42 AM   #74 
  - OK, these are my words:  Febble   Dec-03-05 11:22 AM   #75 
  - Well, OK these are the Truth's words...cheers Is All :toast:  autorank   Dec-04-05 02:01 AM   #78 
     - Well, to save winged Mercury trouble  Febble   Dec-04-05 02:19 AM   #79 
     - Why would undecided voters not follow the "rules" this time?  autorank   Dec-04-05 10:14 PM   #84 
        - Ramdom samples  Febble   Dec-05-05 02:43 AM   #86 
     - "They need to be educated, not brainwashed."  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-04-05 02:12 PM   #80 
        - Whoa Dr. Other...  anaxarchos   Dec-04-05 09:51 PM   #83 
           - bummer... I was hoping for a substantive response  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-04-05 11:51 PM   #85 
              - Well, since you asked...  anaxarchos   Dec-05-05 11:17 AM   #87 
                 - umm, thanks, I guess n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-05-05 11:37 AM   #88 
  - CONFIRMATION of Election Model projections & Exit Polls:Kerry vote % ; win  autorank   Dec-04-05 03:12 PM   #81 
  - CONFIRMATION. This is the Final Word. This post is FOR THE RECORD.  autorank   Dec-04-05 03:18 PM   #82 
  - Channel TIA: THE TIA-NAYSAYER DEBATE: FROM START TO FINISH  autorank   Dec-06-05 11:51 PM   #89 
  - missing the point as usual  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-07-05 05:19 AM   #90 
  - As this is kicked anyway -  Febble   Dec-07-05 07:33 AM   #91 
  - TruthTeller Alert! Nailing "the point as usual!"  autorank   Dec-08-05 03:06 PM   #92 
     - forgot? did this appear on DU?  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-09-05 10:55 AM   #94 
  - Thanks for this refresher. It's also important for those newly joining  mod mom   Dec-09-05 12:58 PM   #95 

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