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Febble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #66
68. The people who commissioned the exit poll
(I have no idea what they paid) are the TV networks. They did, in fact, get what they paid for - a projection of the counted result that enabled them to call each state, and, as OTOH, some demographic stuff to natter about while they were waiting.

What the rest of the country DIDN'T get for the networks' money was a free audit of the election.

As you said upthread, exit polls really are rather frivolous things. They can double as a smoke detectors in the absence of a decent sprinkler system, but that's about it.
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  -Plausible deniability & Election eTheft yowzayowzayowza  Oct-16-05 03:45 PM   #0 
  - The only hope we have is to create a spread so wide that any  rzemanfl   Oct-16-05 03:58 PM   #1 
  - I agree.  mirandaod   Oct-16-05 04:10 PM   #3 
  - My thought is that all the people who intend to vote Democratic  rzemanfl   Oct-16-05 06:51 PM   #21 
  - How is it that we've come to this?  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-16-05 04:13 PM   #4 
  - Yes, but once the Dems get subpoena power, etc. won't the fraud  rzemanfl   Oct-16-05 06:46 PM   #20 
  - There will be no spread wide enough  GuvWurld   Oct-16-05 05:30 PM   #16 
  - I would have submitted to you...  Blue Shark   Oct-18-05 09:57 PM   #44 
  - bingo yowzayowzayowza; E-fraud or Glitch Switch; the media will never know  Land Shark   Oct-18-05 10:45 PM   #46 
  - Until somebody in on the scam comes forward it's all speculation:  Stevepol   Oct-16-05 04:00 PM   #2 
  - well, since you ask  Febble   Oct-16-05 04:14 PM   #5 
  - why can't they both be wrong?  foo_bar   Oct-16-05 05:01 PM   #11 
     - Careful!  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 05:05 PM   #12 
     - Actually, I think we are at the stage  Febble   Oct-16-05 05:58 PM   #19 
        - Wait a minute, what's the difference between  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 06:30 PM   #27 
           - Read my lips  Febble   Oct-17-05 06:54 PM   #28 
              - sElection 2k eTheft switch oops ...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-17-05 07:33 PM   #29 
              - Yes but this was a 14% undervote rate!  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 11:13 PM   #31 
                 - Man o man.  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-18-05 01:54 AM   #37 
              - Let me get this straight...  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 11:02 PM   #30 
                 - Well, I have to say  Febble   Oct-18-05 01:46 AM   #36 
                    - OK, let's step back for a moment, shall we?  Bill Bored   Oct-18-05 03:17 AM   #38 
                       - Well, sort of  Febble   Oct-18-05 03:38 AM   #39 
                          - But what are we trying to prove?  Bill Bored   Oct-18-05 12:46 PM   #40 
                             - OK  Febble   Oct-18-05 04:18 PM   #41 
                             - I didn't say they were impossible did I?  Bill Bored   Oct-18-05 07:38 PM   #43 
                                - OK Bill  Febble   Oct-19-05 09:41 AM   #48 
                             - Regarding outliers: anecdotal evidence might be useful.  kiwi_expat   Oct-18-05 06:58 PM   #42 
                                - The big WPE for Cincy4M was probably not the result of rBr, per se.  kiwi_expat   Oct-18-05 10:17 PM   #45 
                                - consensual correction  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 03:43 PM   #85 
                                - I'm afraid I used the term "sampling bias" incorrectly.  kiwi_expat   Oct-19-05 07:08 AM   #47 
                                   - I think it could be right either way, depending...  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-19-05 09:41 AM   #49 
                                      - Really?  BeFree   Oct-19-05 10:40 AM   #50 
                                      - Do you think we might  Febble   Oct-19-05 11:04 AM   #51 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-19-05 11:54 AM   #52 
                                            - The "early" data  Febble   Oct-19-05 12:14 PM   #53 
                                               - Accuse?  BeFree   Oct-19-05 12:22 PM   #54 
                                               - Well, I try to tell the truth as I see it  Febble   Oct-19-05 12:37 PM   #55 
                                               - I couldn't agree more, Febble  BeFree   Oct-20-05 07:52 AM   #64 
                                               - Well, see my post below  Febble   Oct-20-05 08:51 AM   #67 
                                               - I'm sure we appreciate the advice  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-19-05 01:04 PM   #58 
                                               - You're welcome  BeFree   Oct-20-05 07:19 AM   #62 
                                               - No, there was no audit  Febble   Oct-20-05 07:50 AM   #63 
                                               - your facts are still confused, as far as I can tell  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-20-05 08:08 AM   #65 
                                               - OTOH  BeFree   Oct-20-05 08:50 AM   #66 
                                               - The people who commissioned the exit poll  Febble   Oct-20-05 08:56 AM   #68 
                                               - hmm...  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-20-05 11:04 AM   #69 
                                               - that's pretty Raw  BeFree   Oct-20-05 06:16 PM   #70 
                                               - nope, sorry, still wrong  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-20-05 06:34 PM   #71 
                                               - Almost certainly weighted?  BeFree   Oct-20-05 07:36 PM   #73 
                                               - the national surveys? certainly weighted  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-20-05 08:01 PM   #74 
                                               - Ah, yes, the midday data  BeFree   Oct-20-05 08:24 PM   #75 
                                               - no, the midday data were almost certainly weighted  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 05:24 AM   #76 
                                               - Adjustments, weightings, program errors  BeFree   Oct-21-05 07:25 AM   #77 
                                               - I quote Freeman here  BeFree   Oct-21-05 08:02 AM   #78 
                                               - not an iota of support for your use of "raw" and "weighted"  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 08:35 AM   #79 
                                               - I don't need support  BeFree   Oct-21-05 09:16 AM   #80 
                                               - how can you sway people if you insist on using your own terms?  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 10:13 AM   #81 
                                               - Are you referring to the term 'RAW'  BeFree   Oct-21-05 10:37 AM   #82 
                                               - Forget the terms  Febble   Oct-21-05 11:10 AM   #83 
                                               - Is that right?  BeFree   Oct-21-05 06:21 PM   #86 
                                               - And furthermore...  BeFree   Oct-21-05 06:50 PM   #87 
                                               - Actually I don't  Febble   Oct-21-05 07:18 PM   #88 
                                               - Here ya go & edited  BeFree   Oct-21-05 07:59 PM   #90 
                                               - OK  Febble   Oct-22-05 03:50 AM   #91 
                                               - well, it depends on the context  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 12:15 PM   #84 
                                               - In answer to your last question  Febble   Oct-20-05 06:37 PM   #72 
                                      - Thanks! Here is my little list of possible contributions to a WPE.  kiwi_expat   Oct-19-05 08:28 PM   #59 
     - Well, I think they both CAN be wrong,  Febble   Oct-16-05 05:15 PM   #15 
  - Thank you for discussing DRE fraud *vs.* tabulator(GEMS) fraud!  kiwi_expat   Oct-16-05 04:39 PM   #6 
  - Naw, naw.  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 04:48 PM   #8 
     - I have always wondered why a DRE paper trail couldn't be rigged also.  kiwi_expat   Oct-16-05 05:34 PM   #17 
        - And me.  Febble   Oct-16-05 05:40 PM   #18 
        - The term "paper trail" does...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 11:05 PM   #24 
           - I'm rooting for the 'Stros and here's why:  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 11:20 PM   #32 
              - So how does...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-18-05 12:09 AM   #33 
  - And by playing games with new technology - not stealing votes - but  applegrove   Oct-16-05 04:41 PM   #7 
  - I know what ya mean.  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 04:51 PM   #10 
     - Get your "little speech" ready for the bully matron "rule-maker" you  applegrove   Oct-16-05 05:13 PM   #13 
  - I agree with your basic premise but may quibble with some details.  eomer   Oct-16-05 04:49 PM   #9 
  - The difference between...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 05:13 PM   #14 
  - Tabulators...Diebold Plausible Deniability  autorank   Oct-18-05 12:31 AM   #34 
     - Innovative?  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-18-05 01:34 AM   #35 
  - Contrarian gibberish.  BeFree   Oct-16-05 07:52 PM   #22 
  - No Way!  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 10:51 PM   #23 
  - Cow Bell.  btmlndfrmr   Oct-17-05 04:54 PM   #25 
  - Agree completely.  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 06:17 PM   #26 
  - Thank you yowza -- it seems that this contains some important clues, but  Time for change   Oct-19-05 12:49 PM   #56 
     - Oh, wait a minute -- maybe I get it from reading some other posts  Time for change   Oct-19-05 12:55 PM   #57 
        - Two points:  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-20-05 12:46 AM   #60 
        - yowza(x3) explains his use of the term "paper trail" in post #24  kiwi_expat   Oct-20-05 02:12 AM   #61 
        - FYI: Even tho I'm obviously not privy to ...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-21-05 07:55 PM   #89 
 

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