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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:54 PM
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25. Cow Bell.
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 04:56 PM by btmlndfrmr
We can never get enough press on this point ... until we get some press that is.

Read your post the other day ...did'nt get a chance to say thanks.

So ...thanks for you presence talent and effort.
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  -Plausible deniability & Election eTheft yowzayowzayowza  Oct-16-05 03:45 PM   #0 
  - The only hope we have is to create a spread so wide that any  rzemanfl   Oct-16-05 03:58 PM   #1 
  - I agree.  mirandaod   Oct-16-05 04:10 PM   #3 
  - My thought is that all the people who intend to vote Democratic  rzemanfl   Oct-16-05 06:51 PM   #21 
  - How is it that we've come to this?  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-16-05 04:13 PM   #4 
  - Yes, but once the Dems get subpoena power, etc. won't the fraud  rzemanfl   Oct-16-05 06:46 PM   #20 
  - There will be no spread wide enough  GuvWurld   Oct-16-05 05:30 PM   #16 
  - I would have submitted to you...  Blue Shark   Oct-18-05 09:57 PM   #44 
  - bingo yowzayowzayowza; E-fraud or Glitch Switch; the media will never know  Land Shark   Oct-18-05 10:45 PM   #46 
  - Until somebody in on the scam comes forward it's all speculation:  Stevepol   Oct-16-05 04:00 PM   #2 
  - well, since you ask  Febble   Oct-16-05 04:14 PM   #5 
  - why can't they both be wrong?  foo_bar   Oct-16-05 05:01 PM   #11 
     - Careful!  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 05:05 PM   #12 
     - Actually, I think we are at the stage  Febble   Oct-16-05 05:58 PM   #19 
        - Wait a minute, what's the difference between  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 06:30 PM   #27 
           - Read my lips  Febble   Oct-17-05 06:54 PM   #28 
              - sElection 2k eTheft switch oops ...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-17-05 07:33 PM   #29 
              - Yes but this was a 14% undervote rate!  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 11:13 PM   #31 
                 - Man o man.  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-18-05 01:54 AM   #37 
              - Let me get this straight...  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 11:02 PM   #30 
                 - Well, I have to say  Febble   Oct-18-05 01:46 AM   #36 
                    - OK, let's step back for a moment, shall we?  Bill Bored   Oct-18-05 03:17 AM   #38 
                       - Well, sort of  Febble   Oct-18-05 03:38 AM   #39 
                          - But what are we trying to prove?  Bill Bored   Oct-18-05 12:46 PM   #40 
                             - OK  Febble   Oct-18-05 04:18 PM   #41 
                             - I didn't say they were impossible did I?  Bill Bored   Oct-18-05 07:38 PM   #43 
                                - OK Bill  Febble   Oct-19-05 09:41 AM   #48 
                             - Regarding outliers: anecdotal evidence might be useful.  kiwi_expat   Oct-18-05 06:58 PM   #42 
                                - The big WPE for Cincy4M was probably not the result of rBr, per se.  kiwi_expat   Oct-18-05 10:17 PM   #45 
                                - consensual correction  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 03:43 PM   #85 
                                - I'm afraid I used the term "sampling bias" incorrectly.  kiwi_expat   Oct-19-05 07:08 AM   #47 
                                   - I think it could be right either way, depending...  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-19-05 09:41 AM   #49 
                                      - Really?  BeFree   Oct-19-05 10:40 AM   #50 
                                      - Do you think we might  Febble   Oct-19-05 11:04 AM   #51 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-19-05 11:54 AM   #52 
                                            - The "early" data  Febble   Oct-19-05 12:14 PM   #53 
                                               - Accuse?  BeFree   Oct-19-05 12:22 PM   #54 
                                               - Well, I try to tell the truth as I see it  Febble   Oct-19-05 12:37 PM   #55 
                                               - I couldn't agree more, Febble  BeFree   Oct-20-05 07:52 AM   #64 
                                               - Well, see my post below  Febble   Oct-20-05 08:51 AM   #67 
                                               - I'm sure we appreciate the advice  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-19-05 01:04 PM   #58 
                                               - You're welcome  BeFree   Oct-20-05 07:19 AM   #62 
                                               - No, there was no audit  Febble   Oct-20-05 07:50 AM   #63 
                                               - your facts are still confused, as far as I can tell  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-20-05 08:08 AM   #65 
                                               - OTOH  BeFree   Oct-20-05 08:50 AM   #66 
                                               - The people who commissioned the exit poll  Febble   Oct-20-05 08:56 AM   #68 
                                               - hmm...  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-20-05 11:04 AM   #69 
                                               - that's pretty Raw  BeFree   Oct-20-05 06:16 PM   #70 
                                               - nope, sorry, still wrong  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-20-05 06:34 PM   #71 
                                               - Almost certainly weighted?  BeFree   Oct-20-05 07:36 PM   #73 
                                               - the national surveys? certainly weighted  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-20-05 08:01 PM   #74 
                                               - Ah, yes, the midday data  BeFree   Oct-20-05 08:24 PM   #75 
                                               - no, the midday data were almost certainly weighted  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 05:24 AM   #76 
                                               - Adjustments, weightings, program errors  BeFree   Oct-21-05 07:25 AM   #77 
                                               - I quote Freeman here  BeFree   Oct-21-05 08:02 AM   #78 
                                               - not an iota of support for your use of "raw" and "weighted"  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 08:35 AM   #79 
                                               - I don't need support  BeFree   Oct-21-05 09:16 AM   #80 
                                               - how can you sway people if you insist on using your own terms?  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 10:13 AM   #81 
                                               - Are you referring to the term 'RAW'  BeFree   Oct-21-05 10:37 AM   #82 
                                               - Forget the terms  Febble   Oct-21-05 11:10 AM   #83 
                                               - Is that right?  BeFree   Oct-21-05 06:21 PM   #86 
                                               - And furthermore...  BeFree   Oct-21-05 06:50 PM   #87 
                                               - Actually I don't  Febble   Oct-21-05 07:18 PM   #88 
                                               - Here ya go & edited  BeFree   Oct-21-05 07:59 PM   #90 
                                               - OK  Febble   Oct-22-05 03:50 AM   #91 
                                               - well, it depends on the context  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-05 12:15 PM   #84 
                                               - In answer to your last question  Febble   Oct-20-05 06:37 PM   #72 
                                      - Thanks! Here is my little list of possible contributions to a WPE.  kiwi_expat   Oct-19-05 08:28 PM   #59 
     - Well, I think they both CAN be wrong,  Febble   Oct-16-05 05:15 PM   #15 
  - Thank you for discussing DRE fraud *vs.* tabulator(GEMS) fraud!  kiwi_expat   Oct-16-05 04:39 PM   #6 
  - Naw, naw.  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 04:48 PM   #8 
     - I have always wondered why a DRE paper trail couldn't be rigged also.  kiwi_expat   Oct-16-05 05:34 PM   #17 
        - And me.  Febble   Oct-16-05 05:40 PM   #18 
        - The term "paper trail" does...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 11:05 PM   #24 
           - I'm rooting for the 'Stros and here's why:  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 11:20 PM   #32 
              - So how does...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-18-05 12:09 AM   #33 
  - And by playing games with new technology - not stealing votes - but  applegrove   Oct-16-05 04:41 PM   #7 
  - I know what ya mean.  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 04:51 PM   #10 
     - Get your "little speech" ready for the bully matron "rule-maker" you  applegrove   Oct-16-05 05:13 PM   #13 
  - I agree with your basic premise but may quibble with some details.  eomer   Oct-16-05 04:49 PM   #9 
  - The difference between...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 05:13 PM   #14 
  - Tabulators...Diebold Plausible Deniability  autorank   Oct-18-05 12:31 AM   #34 
     - Innovative?  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-18-05 01:34 AM   #35 
  - Contrarian gibberish.  BeFree   Oct-16-05 07:52 PM   #22 
  - No Way!  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-16-05 10:51 PM   #23 
  - Cow Bell.  btmlndfrmr   Oct-17-05 04:54 PM   #25 
  - Agree completely.  Bill Bored   Oct-17-05 06:17 PM   #26 
  - Thank you yowza -- it seems that this contains some important clues, but  Time for change   Oct-19-05 12:49 PM   #56 
     - Oh, wait a minute -- maybe I get it from reading some other posts  Time for change   Oct-19-05 12:55 PM   #57 
        - Two points:  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-20-05 12:46 AM   #60 
        - yowza(x3) explains his use of the term "paper trail" in post #24  kiwi_expat   Oct-20-05 02:12 AM   #61 
        - FYI: Even tho I'm obviously not privy to ...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-21-05 07:55 PM   #89 
 

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