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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:39 PM
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34. And the tabulators cannot be compared to the original record of the voters
intent---ballot images in the DRE.
Assuming the scene of the crime is the tabulators-- (in Ohio, because IIRC only 4 counties used DRES), Then the opscanned paper ballots need to be archived as well as the Punchcards.

But they were already recounted and the recount said Bush won.

Why hack one DRE at a time? You write the ballot on the Tabulator workstation--- right?
But certainly in the case of Ohio it was tabultors not DREs.
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  -What would a Smoking Gun actually look like? Questions/Answers Land Shark  Aug-24-05 04:29 PM   #0 
  - I think some constraints as to what type of technology.  mgr   Aug-24-05 05:14 PM   #1 
  - I've got one  BeFree   Aug-24-05 05:14 PM   #2 
  - With or w/o VVPATs?  Bill Bored   Aug-24-05 05:24 PM   #3 
  - Now Bill, you keep going on about those massive unexplained exit poll  Melissa G   Aug-28-05 08:35 PM   #57 
  - For me, when no vote registered for Kerry after selecting "Vote  Kip Humphrey   Aug-24-05 05:28 PM   #4 
  - Like reported here?  Time for change   Aug-24-05 07:13 PM   #7 
  - You hit the nail on the head  kster   Aug-24-05 08:35 PM   #11 
  - And don't forget undervotes or as Diebold calls them "blank votes"  Bill Bored   Aug-24-05 05:44 PM   #5 
  - One elections officials said:  Land Shark   Aug-24-05 06:30 PM   #6 
  - I think Clint Curtis' testimony before Conyers' committee comes close  Time for change   Aug-24-05 07:16 PM   #8 
  - not specific enough  garybeck   Aug-24-05 07:24 PM   #10 
     - Perhaps you're right  Time for change   Aug-24-05 08:57 PM   #12 
  - how about white stickers found on the ballots, covering the votes?  garybeck   Aug-24-05 07:23 PM   #9 
  - this is not an electronic smoking gun, per se  Land Shark   Aug-24-05 09:22 PM   #17 
  - I think the Warren County lockdown and the Hocking County cheat sheets  Time for change   Aug-24-05 08:59 PM   #13 
  - Didn't Bob Fitrakis say something about someone who saw somebody  petgoat   Aug-24-05 09:12 PM   #14 
  - isn't it great that you can do that electronically without anyone "seeing"  Land Shark   Aug-24-05 09:23 PM   #18 
     - Sorry, I was OT n/t  petgoat   Aug-25-05 12:16 AM   #20 
  - How about massive vote theft like in Florida that looks very suspicious  Melissa G   Aug-24-05 09:15 PM   #15 
  - a programmer friend of mine says legit programming errors tend to  Melissa G   Aug-24-05 09:18 PM   #16 
  - Sorry I'am late--  FogerRox   Aug-24-05 10:11 PM   #19 
     - this comes very close; the only debate is who are the malfeasants  Land Shark   Aug-25-05 04:54 PM   #25 
     - As far as passing HAVA,  Bill Bored   Aug-26-05 04:26 PM   #29 
     - And those images can be altered too, even if preserved. nt  Bill Bored   Aug-26-05 04:28 PM   #30 
  - Collaborating with the enemy  autorank   Aug-25-05 12:35 AM   #21 
  - Significantly different results in a parallel election  eridani   Aug-25-05 01:08 AM   #22 
  - "[election officials] AREN'T LOOKING for [a smoking gun]"  petgoat   Aug-25-05 02:03 PM   #23 
  - What about pre-tabulator and post-tabulator results that don't match --  Time for change   Aug-25-05 04:18 PM   #24 
  - PRE or POST--  FogerRox   Aug-25-05 10:18 PM   #26 
     - Yes, but my understanding was that pre-tabulator totals had to be recorded  Time for change   Aug-26-05 03:28 PM   #27 
        - yes you are correct that pre tab are are recorded  FogerRox   Aug-26-05 03:45 PM   #28 
           - Other evidence may be the ballot definition files  Bill Bored   Aug-26-05 04:33 PM   #31 
           - And the tabulators cannot be compared to the original record of the voters  FogerRox   Aug-26-05 07:39 PM   #34 
              - Exactly. Tabulators=servers; DREs=clients.  Bill Bored   Aug-26-05 08:04 PM   #36 
           - It may be that it makes sense to do it on the DRE side  Time for change   Aug-26-05 04:53 PM   #32 
              - The DRE side comes from the server side.  Bill Bored   Aug-26-05 08:13 PM   #37 
                 - That's very interesting  Time for change   Aug-27-05 07:44 AM   #44 
                    - Depends on whether there was fraud or not historically. nt  Bill Bored   Aug-27-05 10:06 PM   #50 
                       - Could you expand on that?  Time for change   Aug-27-05 11:01 PM   #53 
                          - See posts 8 and 9 in this thread:  Bill Bored   Aug-28-05 01:31 AM   #55 
                             - Good point -- I agree that there was some vote switching at precinct level  Time for change   Aug-28-05 05:05 PM   #56 
  - Many of you tell me WHERE TO LOOK, but not WHAT to LOOK FOR!  Land Shark   Aug-26-05 06:11 PM   #33 
  - WHAT to LOOK FOR! WHAT to LOOK FOR! WHAT to LOOK FOR!  FogerRox   Aug-26-05 08:00 PM   #35 
  - such a "double exposure" bell curve should cause a double take!  Land Shark   Aug-26-05 09:10 PM   #40 
     - Never heard of that county -- that lawyer-- the State of Washington  FogerRox   Aug-26-05 09:59 PM   #42 
  - I thought I did. See post #3. nt  Bill Bored   Aug-26-05 08:18 PM   #38 
     - #3 is not bad. What i REALLY want to know, though, is WHAT  Land Shark   Aug-26-05 09:07 PM   #39 
        - I don't know. I'm not an elections official!  Bill Bored   Aug-26-05 09:19 PM   #41 
           - you can have all the law you can imagine, but it won't matter if the  Land Shark   Aug-26-05 11:48 PM   #43 
              - kickin for Land Shark!  Melissa G   Aug-27-05 09:23 AM   #46 
              - Their power is unprecedented whether they know how to use it or not.  Bill Bored   Aug-27-05 10:37 PM   #51 
  - Kick nt  tommcintyre   Aug-27-05 08:43 AM   #45 
  - There were lots of smoking guns in 2004 election; but no officials  philb   Aug-27-05 12:50 PM   #47 
  - partial answer: some don't have the slightest idea what to look for  Land Shark   Aug-27-05 08:30 PM   #48 
  - In states where there is a record of party registrations of voters who  Amaryllis   Aug-27-05 09:51 PM   #49 
  - Vaguely similar to what I waas trying to write-- you might have said your  FogerRox   Aug-27-05 10:41 PM   #52 
  - Expectation of fraud in the system  starmaker   Aug-27-05 11:08 PM   #54 
  - Landshark, this is an excellent question..  MadeinOhio   Aug-29-05 03:52 AM   #58 
  - kick  tommcintyre   Aug-29-05 08:06 AM   #59 
 

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