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Wed Aug-24-05 08:57 PM
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Depending on what the investigation of the "suicided" investigator showed.
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| -What would a Smoking Gun actually look like? Questions/Answers |
Land Shark |
Aug-24-05 04:29 PM |
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I think some constraints as to what type of technology. |
mgr |
Aug-24-05 05:14 PM |
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I've got one |
BeFree |
Aug-24-05 05:14 PM |
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With or w/o VVPATs? |
Bill Bored |
Aug-24-05 05:24 PM |
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Now Bill, you keep going on about those massive unexplained exit poll |
Melissa G |
Aug-28-05 08:35 PM |
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For me, when no vote registered for Kerry after selecting "Vote |
Kip Humphrey |
Aug-24-05 05:28 PM |
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Like reported here? |
Time for change |
Aug-24-05 07:13 PM |
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You hit the nail on the head |
kster |
Aug-24-05 08:35 PM |
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And don't forget undervotes or as Diebold calls them "blank votes" |
Bill Bored |
Aug-24-05 05:44 PM |
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One elections officials said: |
Land Shark |
Aug-24-05 06:30 PM |
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I think Clint Curtis' testimony before Conyers' committee comes close |
Time for change |
Aug-24-05 07:16 PM |
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not specific enough |
garybeck |
Aug-24-05 07:24 PM |
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Perhaps you're right |
Time for change |
Aug-24-05 08:57 PM |
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how about white stickers found on the ballots, covering the votes? |
garybeck |
Aug-24-05 07:23 PM |
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this is not an electronic smoking gun, per se |
Land Shark |
Aug-24-05 09:22 PM |
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I think the Warren County lockdown and the Hocking County cheat sheets |
Time for change |
Aug-24-05 08:59 PM |
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Didn't Bob Fitrakis say something about someone who saw somebody |
petgoat |
Aug-24-05 09:12 PM |
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isn't it great that you can do that electronically without anyone "seeing" |
Land Shark |
Aug-24-05 09:23 PM |
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Sorry, I was OT n/t |
petgoat |
Aug-25-05 12:16 AM |
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How about massive vote theft like in Florida that looks very suspicious |
Melissa G |
Aug-24-05 09:15 PM |
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a programmer friend of mine says legit programming errors tend to |
Melissa G |
Aug-24-05 09:18 PM |
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Sorry I'am late-- |
FogerRox |
Aug-24-05 10:11 PM |
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this comes very close; the only debate is who are the malfeasants |
Land Shark |
Aug-25-05 04:54 PM |
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As far as passing HAVA, |
Bill Bored |
Aug-26-05 04:26 PM |
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And those images can be altered too, even if preserved. nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-26-05 04:28 PM |
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Collaborating with the enemy |
autorank |
Aug-25-05 12:35 AM |
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Significantly different results in a parallel election |
eridani |
Aug-25-05 01:08 AM |
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"[election officials] AREN'T LOOKING for [a smoking gun]" |
petgoat |
Aug-25-05 02:03 PM |
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What about pre-tabulator and post-tabulator results that don't match -- |
Time for change |
Aug-25-05 04:18 PM |
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PRE or POST-- |
FogerRox |
Aug-25-05 10:18 PM |
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Yes, but my understanding was that pre-tabulator totals had to be recorded |
Time for change |
Aug-26-05 03:28 PM |
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yes you are correct that pre tab are are recorded |
FogerRox |
Aug-26-05 03:45 PM |
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Other evidence may be the ballot definition files |
Bill Bored |
Aug-26-05 04:33 PM |
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And the tabulators cannot be compared to the original record of the voters |
FogerRox |
Aug-26-05 07:39 PM |
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Exactly. Tabulators=servers; DREs=clients. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-26-05 08:04 PM |
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It may be that it makes sense to do it on the DRE side |
Time for change |
Aug-26-05 04:53 PM |
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The DRE side comes from the server side. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-26-05 08:13 PM |
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That's very interesting |
Time for change |
Aug-27-05 07:44 AM |
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Depends on whether there was fraud or not historically. nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-27-05 10:06 PM |
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Could you expand on that? |
Time for change |
Aug-27-05 11:01 PM |
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See posts 8 and 9 in this thread: |
Bill Bored |
Aug-28-05 01:31 AM |
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Good point -- I agree that there was some vote switching at precinct level |
Time for change |
Aug-28-05 05:05 PM |
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Many of you tell me WHERE TO LOOK, but not WHAT to LOOK FOR! |
Land Shark |
Aug-26-05 06:11 PM |
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WHAT to LOOK FOR! WHAT to LOOK FOR! WHAT to LOOK FOR! |
FogerRox |
Aug-26-05 08:00 PM |
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such a "double exposure" bell curve should cause a double take! |
Land Shark |
Aug-26-05 09:10 PM |
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Never heard of that county -- that lawyer-- the State of Washington |
FogerRox |
Aug-26-05 09:59 PM |
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I thought I did. See post #3. nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-26-05 08:18 PM |
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#3 is not bad. What i REALLY want to know, though, is WHAT |
Land Shark |
Aug-26-05 09:07 PM |
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I don't know. I'm not an elections official! |
Bill Bored |
Aug-26-05 09:19 PM |
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you can have all the law you can imagine, but it won't matter if the |
Land Shark |
Aug-26-05 11:48 PM |
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kickin for Land Shark! |
Melissa G |
Aug-27-05 09:23 AM |
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Their power is unprecedented whether they know how to use it or not. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-27-05 10:37 PM |
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Kick nt |
tommcintyre |
Aug-27-05 08:43 AM |
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There were lots of smoking guns in 2004 election; but no officials |
philb |
Aug-27-05 12:50 PM |
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partial answer: some don't have the slightest idea what to look for |
Land Shark |
Aug-27-05 08:30 PM |
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In states where there is a record of party registrations of voters who |
Amaryllis |
Aug-27-05 09:51 PM |
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Vaguely similar to what I waas trying to write-- you might have said your |
FogerRox |
Aug-27-05 10:41 PM |
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Expectation of fraud in the system |
starmaker |
Aug-27-05 11:08 PM |
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Landshark, this is an excellent question.. |
MadeinOhio |
Aug-29-05 03:52 AM |
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kick |
tommcintyre |
Aug-29-05 08:06 AM |
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