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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:56 AM
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34. 4% is the MOE they give for pre election polling
Which is why most of it is worthless. The news itself has quoted the exit polls as usally being within .5% accurate. Here's a good article on why the difference in the exit polls are significant.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/03110 ...

>> While not a guide for proving results, it can be a mechanism for ensuring voting accuracy and flagging potential fraud.
>> Perhaps more importantly, while exit polling is unreliable, the odds of ... gaining an advantage from every exit poll in swing states is an extremely improbable coincidence.

Though I think more believable numbers are the 1:50,000 — but what that's saying is that in 50,000 presidential elections we might see this once — three full factors away from reality.

That's enough to raise the question of validity of the election, and that's what we want.
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  -1 of 187 mil: Odds 7 of 18 states deviate beyond exit poll MOE to Bush TruthIsAll  Nov-10-04 08:15 PM   #0 
  - Looks damning, so why is everyone going on about  alittlelark   Nov-10-04 08:18 PM   #1 
  - THIS PROFESSOR SAYS THAT IT'S 250 MILLION TO ONE  TruthIsAll   Nov-10-04 10:28 PM   #13 
     - How I did the calculation: The Excel Binomial Distribution Function  TruthIsAll   Nov-11-04 08:07 AM   #40 
  - It seems well established that either the exit polls were fraud or...  Bread and Circus   Nov-10-04 08:21 PM   #2 
  - Did you get that little gem of a nugget  Generator   Nov-10-04 08:29 PM   #6 
  - TruthIsAll, we're all starting to feel the momentum changing  bleever   Nov-10-04 08:24 PM   #3 
  - don't forget that Nevada lied nationwide that they had a paper trail  NVwriter   Nov-10-04 08:25 PM   #4 
  - I don't understand why the WH is so upset about the exit polls  tarheel_voter   Nov-10-04 08:27 PM   #5 
  - Truthisall - can you explain "Clincher Peter Jennings"  higher class   Nov-10-04 08:35 PM   #7 
  - Peter Jennings called us conspiracy freaks.  TruthIsAll   Nov-10-04 08:39 PM   #8 
  - George Bush is the luckiest man in the world.  Old and In the Way   Nov-10-04 09:05 PM   #9 
  - Born with a silver spoon in his mouth and a horseshoe up his ass. eom  No Surrender   Nov-10-04 09:20 PM   #10 
  - TruthIsAll, this is GARBAGE; you don't understand margin for error  Awsi Dooger   Nov-10-04 10:03 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-10-04 10:12 PM   #12 
  - hi TIA...just wanted to say: THANK YOU  noiretblu   Nov-10-04 11:15 PM   #14 
  - 4% is the MOE they give for pre election polling  Hobbes199   Nov-11-04 01:56 AM   #34 
  - Show me the data!  5by5   Nov-10-04 11:18 PM   #15 
  - zell miller spoke at the GOP convention eom  noiretblu   Nov-10-04 11:21 PM   #16 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-10-04 11:22 PM   #17 
     - Me too TruthisAll  Kellis   Nov-10-04 11:26 PM   #18 
     - out in force tonight...but easy to detect  noiretblu   Nov-10-04 11:43 PM   #19 
        - bullies with nothing to say beyond ad hominem attacks  foo_bar   Nov-11-04 02:23 AM   #37 
     - 'Beauty is truth, truth beauty, that is all  foo_bar   Nov-11-04 01:53 AM   #32 
  - I could use some help....  oldmanpeacenik   Nov-11-04 12:08 AM   #20 
  - Exit polls are much more accurate than regular polls (3%)  TruthIsAll   Nov-11-04 12:45 AM   #21 
     - Well, you answered some of the questions....  oldmanpeacenik   Nov-11-04 01:55 AM   #33 
     - you assumed a 3% MoE in your previous exercise  foo_bar   Nov-11-04 02:19 AM   #36 
  - Hey man no offense, but you also had 90+% chance of Kerry PV win...  RunningFromCongress   Nov-11-04 12:50 AM   #22 
  - Kerry WON the popular vote on earth but lost it in Cyberspace..  TruthIsAll   Nov-11-04 12:53 AM   #23 
     - Seriously you think there was 3.5+ million fraudulent votes?  RunningFromCongress   Nov-11-04 12:58 AM   #24 
        - Funny how the PV suddenly matters...  masshole1979   Nov-11-04 01:21 AM   #25 
           - I'm not saying it matters, I'm just saying his PV predictions were way off  RunningFromCongress   Nov-11-04 01:24 AM   #26 
              - sorry for the tangent...but...  masshole1979   Nov-11-04 01:36 AM   #28 
              - You are confused. Exit polls are virtually NEVER off by more than 1%.  TruthIsAll   Nov-11-04 01:43 AM   #30 
                 - I just want to know some answers  RunningFromCongress   Nov-11-04 02:04 AM   #35 
                    - I want to know the answers also. Let the lawyers investigate.  TruthIsAll   Nov-11-04 08:02 AM   #39 
  - Could you please explain this to The Nation?  masshole1979   Nov-11-04 01:25 AM   #27 
  - we heard the pollster excuse - "dems were enthusiastic".....my ass  cthrumatrix   Nov-11-04 08:19 AM   #41 
  - TIA, the talk shows should ask you on...  Andromeda   Nov-11-04 01:42 AM   #29 
  - No thanks. That's not necessary. There are much more qualified  TruthIsAll   Nov-11-04 01:48 AM   #31 
  - am kick  TruthIsAll   Nov-11-04 07:16 AM   #38 
  - Ok, let's split the difference: (187+250)/2= 219 million to ONE  TruthIsAll   Nov-11-04 11:47 PM   #42 
  - kick 187 million times  TruthIsAll   Nov-12-04 07:19 AM   #43 
 

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