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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Where is the outrage?
Presently it is directed at your sloppy analysis. That is the nub of the problem between us right now.

But that isn't to imply that all your analysis is sloppy.

It is simply untrue that I have argued for no fraud, badly or otherwise. In words of one syllable: You made that up. I have argued against certain specific bad arguments for fraud. I think they hurt the cause.

Your inability to grasp my arguments, much less rebut them, is discouraging, but does not evince intellectual fraud on my part or on yours. It is "just one of those crazy things" (gossamer wings not included).
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  -Naysayer Hobson's Choice: Final NEP or rBr? Take your pick. TruthIsAll  Jun-23-05 12:48 AM   #0 
  - And why I am not surprised "our friends" have not responded?  autorank   Jun-23-05 08:58 AM   #1 
  - Dormant? Why is it dormant?  WI Independent   Jun-23-05 12:15 PM   #11 
  - I am not a naysayer  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-23-05 09:37 AM   #2 
  - You say: "people are known to misreport their past votes"; you believe rBr  TruthIsAll   Jun-23-05 10:03 AM   #4 
  - "people are known to misreport their past votes."  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-23-05 10:22 AM   #5 
  - OTOH: "Getting bored of it, yes, but not afraid."--then take a hike...  autorank   Jun-23-05 11:01 AM   #8 
     - unfortunately, it doesn't make perfect sense  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-23-05 11:42 AM   #9 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-23-05 12:13 PM   #10 
           - of course I have arguments  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-23-05 12:33 PM   #13 
              - Please point out your positions on election reform.  autorank   Jun-23-05 01:36 PM   #14 
                 - in case you didn't notice  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-23-05 01:56 PM   #15 
                 - So your position is that of the DNC. Well we're 1/2 way there...  autorank   Jun-23-05 03:22 PM   #17 
                 - I am sincerely confused.  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-23-05 03:49 PM   #19 
                 - This has gone "ad hominem" BEFORE we even get to the debate...  anaxarchos   Jun-23-05 03:45 PM   #18 
                 - No DeLay. The TRUTH is claiming victory RIGHT NOW  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 04:17 AM   #29 
                 - WE CARE, EVEN IF YOU DON'T...  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 02:55 AM   #26 
                    - I voted for Kerry. Doh.  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-24-05 09:49 AM   #33 
                       - I have sliced and diced the numbers every way from Sunday.  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 11:31 AM   #34 
                          - Where is the outrage?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-24-05 02:14 PM   #38 
                             - You keep calling it sloppy, but you cannot specifically refute a thing.  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 02:39 PM   #39 
                                - what is this "based on faith" business, anyway?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-24-05 03:18 PM   #40 
                                   - So what? 43% of 122.3 is still 52.57. I don't care what your poll said.  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 03:46 PM   #43 
                                      - if you don't care about polls, then you have no argument  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-24-05 04:19 PM   #45 
                                         - Uh... he really didn't say he didn't care about polls, did he?  tommcintyre   Jun-24-05 04:44 PM   #46 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-05 04:50 PM   #47 
                                         - OK, so maybe you can explain his position  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-25-05 04:45 AM   #52 
                                         - Touchy, touchy....  anaxarchos   Jun-24-05 05:52 PM   #48 
                                         - Do you know how overwhelmingly the odds are stacked against?  LightningFlash   Jun-25-05 04:16 AM   #50 
                                            - it is not a mathematical question  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-25-05 04:49 AM   #53 
                                               - Actually, one can do exactly that.  LightningFlash   Jun-25-05 05:01 AM   #54 
  - Self deleted  Aussie_expat   Jun-23-05 09:40 AM   #3 
  - Does the 43-37 figure apply to the "adjusted" polls?  Time for change   Jun-23-05 10:41 AM   #6 
  - Yes, you are right. Mathematically impossible.  TruthIsAll   Jun-23-05 11:00 AM   #7 
  - TruthIsAll, Possibly a 3)...  WI Independent   Jun-23-05 12:23 PM   #12 
  - It was 3168 respondents. Here's a link.  TruthIsAll   Jun-23-05 02:37 PM   #16 
  - 3) No contradiction  WI Independent   Jun-23-05 05:26 PM   #21 
     - Makes no diff. 43% is impossible. MoE = 1/sqrt(3168) = 1.78%  TruthIsAll   Jun-23-05 06:18 PM   #22 
        - Disagree...  WI Independent   Jun-23-05 07:55 PM   #23 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-05 03:13 AM   #27 
           - Astute observation. Sampling bias could not overcome the gap.  LightningFlash   Jun-24-05 03:56 AM   #28 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-05 06:50 AM   #30 
              - Go ahead, set it up. Verify your theory.  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 07:17 AM   #31 
              - Hmmm... deleted message.  WI Independent   Jun-24-05 12:30 PM   #35 
                 - That's a copout . Just show us your spreadsheet.  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 12:47 PM   #36 
                    - Fair enough...  WI Independent   Jun-24-05 01:14 PM   #37 
                       - I admit, I can be gruff, I can err, but my credibility is 100%  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 03:22 PM   #41 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-05 03:31 PM   #42 
                          - x  TruthIsAll   Jun-24-05 04:02 PM   #44 
                          - OK, to put the record straight:  Febble   Jun-25-05 04:00 AM   #49 
                             - Excellent math. And it gives us true reasoning to the argument...  LightningFlash   Jun-25-05 04:22 AM   #51 
                             - " I do not dispute your math."  autorank   Jun-25-05 07:30 PM   #55 
                             - And also find a fully reproduceable pattern.  LightningFlash   Jun-25-05 09:05 PM   #56 
                                - Cobb: 34%; Kerry 34%; Bush 30% -- HAMILTON COUNTY  autorank   Jun-25-05 10:17 PM   #57 
                                   - Just doing my little bid of duty to democracy. For a friend. n/t  LightningFlash   Jun-26-05 01:12 AM   #59 
                             - Febble, my response...  TruthIsAll   Jun-26-05 03:13 PM   #60 
                             - Posted on Dkos  Febble   Jun-26-05 05:30 PM   #62 
                                - Febble, I wish you well. You have provided the reasonable doubt.  autorank   Jun-26-05 05:48 PM   #63 
                                - Thanks, Febble, for your gracious response...  TruthIsAll   Jun-26-05 07:27 PM   #65 
                             - Febble, one more thing...  TruthIsAll   Jun-26-05 05:21 PM   #61 
              - The party line "emerges" -- quickly too.  autorank   Jun-24-05 08:30 AM   #32 
        - The two are not mutually exclusive  mgr   Jun-27-05 10:22 AM   #66 
  - That was a rough approximation.  mgr   Jun-23-05 04:17 PM   #20 
  - KICK and Final Grades  autorank   Jun-23-05 10:25 PM   #24 
  - kick.nt  kster   Jun-24-05 01:57 AM   #25 
  - double kick..nt  kster   Jun-26-05 12:46 AM   #58 
  - Modified grades.  autorank   Jun-26-05 06:21 PM   #64 
  - kick - In tribute to his tremendous contributions - WHY??? :( n/t  tommcintyre   Aug-25-05 07:59 PM   #67 
  - Kicking for truth, justice, and TIA's invaluable work.  bleever   Aug-25-05 10:36 PM   #68 
 

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