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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:18 AM
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12. IRV - Instant Republican Victory
Pitfalls of IRV, or why it should be called
Instant Republican Victory

The big problem with IRV is that the winner is very often a candidate who would have lost to
one or more of the other candidates in a one to one contest. This is not just an
occasional problem but would likely happen frequently.
http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-...


IRV: Instant Runoff Voting, a distraction from fixing a broken system
... IRV does not address the key issues of vote fraud -
the use of voting machines (of whatever flavor),
the role of the CIA, big money, ...
www.oilempire.us/irv.html


There is more than meets the eye to IRV:
IRV gives Third Parties an unproportional amount of political power
IRV requires deliberate strategy of ranking of votes (voter ed critical here)
IRV gives rise to Vote-Brokering
IRV is too complex and expensive for our present voting infrastructure
IRV avails itself to election manipulation by strategically placing candidates in a certain order
popular candidates can be defeated even though they would have normally won an IRV election
http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/000173.shtml

IRV gave Australia Howard, and Israel Sharon.

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  -Anyone have info on Aussie elections, particularly open source and IRV? Amaryllis  Jun-09-05 07:53 PM   #0 
  - Not implemented  Eureka   Jun-09-05 08:27 PM   #1 
  - So, it's a myth that Australia uses open source? And that you have IRV?  Amaryllis   Jun-09-05 09:33 PM   #2 
  - Paper Ballots, Hand Counts  Eureka   Jun-09-05 09:48 PM   #4 
     - Would you please clarify this statement:  Amaryllis   Jun-09-05 10:18 PM   #5 
     - Yeah sure  Eureka   Jun-09-05 10:38 PM   #6 
        - What a concept! Checking it thoroughly before it's put in the field!  Amaryllis   Jun-10-05 02:57 PM   #7 
     - Do you have instant runoff voting? I read in one of Thom Hartmann's books  Amaryllis   Jun-10-05 04:20 PM   #8 
  - Some fascinating info on the Australian Electoral Commission website:  Amaryllis   Jun-09-05 09:47 PM   #3 
  - Thanks for the old Open Source Code Thread  JunkYardDogg   Jun-10-05 07:59 PM   #9 
  - Austrailian vote counting .......................  Aussie_expat   Jun-10-05 10:20 PM   #10 
  - Do you like the preferential system? It sounds really good. Do  Amaryllis   Jun-10-05 10:56 PM   #11 
     - Most Aussies....................  Aussie_expat   Jun-11-05 01:12 PM   #17 
  - IRV - Instant Republican Victory  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-05 12:18 AM   #12 
  - Israel does not have IRV. n/t  Internut   Jun-11-05 12:47 AM   #16 
  - so then how do we get proportional representation? I am NOT SAYING  Amaryllis   Jun-11-05 07:20 PM   #19 
  - As used in Australia, source code etc  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-05 12:22 AM   #13 
  - We are getting conflicting info here. The two people from Australia who  Amaryllis   Jun-11-05 07:17 PM   #18 
  - misnomer about Nader  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-05 12:32 AM   #14 
  - I did not say that NAder cost Gore the election in 2000. However, the  Amaryllis   Jun-11-05 07:23 PM   #20 
  - IRV less fair to minorities  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-05 12:39 AM   #15 
 

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