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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:40 AM
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36. This post makes me extremely angry.
And I have not been really angry on this forum yet.

eomer, you come in her and attack one of our most productive users, garybeck, who is doing very important work and a real positive contributor. That is disgusting.

I have not had time to look at your other posts but I have a quick comment on this study from Election Science.

This is not a criticism of that group or the authors of the report, it's a point on evaluating evidence.

If you look at the authors of this paper you so highly value, they're all on the Federal dole, either through NPR, government grants, or government contracts to "beltway bandits" (Fed consulting firms). Now, I ask you:

What's the likelihood of someone getting $$$'s from the Federal government as a part of their business turning around and endorsing evidence that would clearly point to this conclusion:

Bush should not be president! You think that might cost them or their organizations some money.

I'm not saying they said what they said because they get Federal money. I'm saying that they would not likely say or even admit what has been demonstrated here, namely that the 2004 election was illegitimate, without, on some level knowing, they'd be looking for other revenue streams. Its a matter of built in bias. Nothing about them personally, don't even know who they are other than some of their funding sources so don't go on a rant. It's just that there is huge bias against rocking the boat.

Imagine that you're a contractor to Microsoft. Would you or your employees be wise to engage in a movement that publicly stated: Gates should not run Microsoft. MS wouldn't have to pay you directly to keep you from saying this. You'd just know, somewhere in the back of, in your case, your little mind, that this was not acceptable behavior. Funding, revenue streams create bias.

Stop trashing good DU users and ask yourself: "What have you, eomer, done today to establish the legitimacy of the 2004 election." That's your goal isn't it?
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  -ESI: Can Exit Polls Be Used to Monitor Elections? eomer  May-11-05 07:08 AM   #0 
  - Exactly what I have been thinking, but polls at voting exits....  whistle   May-11-05 07:15 AM   #1 
  - It only works  hobbit709   May-11-05 07:49 AM   #2 
  - rBr fallacy: assume that which you are trying to prove.  eomer   May-11-05 07:59 AM   #3 
  - You are absolutely right  Febble   May-12-05 11:10 AM   #15 
     - And I agree absolutely  eomer   May-12-05 11:19 AM   #16 
     - Yes, I do think the discrepancy justifies an investigation  Febble   May-12-05 04:24 PM   #17 
        - I disagree with you on one thing!....  Sancho   May-12-05 04:51 PM   #18 
           - I didn't say it was convincing  Febble   May-12-05 05:22 PM   #22 
     - Postal voting was not the only source of fraud.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-12-05 05:23 PM   #23 
        - Good point.  eomer   May-13-05 06:29 AM   #24 
  - Fallacy: exit poll inaccuracy caused the back and forth calls in 2000  eomer   May-11-05 01:51 PM   #4 
  - I'm really confused by this whole ESI exit poll thing.  eomer   May-12-05 06:50 AM   #5 
  - It is a well known fact in pollster "community"  Sawyer   May-12-05 07:50 AM   #6 
  - Yes, they do state that as one of their goals...  eomer   May-12-05 08:09 AM   #7 
  - It does NOT say that  Boredtodeath   May-12-05 08:12 AM   #8 
     - I believe it does.  eomer   May-12-05 08:46 AM   #9 
     - My agenda is very simple  Boredtodeath   May-12-05 09:16 AM   #10 
        - I would characterize the following posts as "guns blazing":  eomer   May-12-05 09:47 AM   #11 
           - Such a shame  Boredtodeath   May-12-05 09:53 AM   #12 
              - Well, I'm not sure where that comes from...  eomer   May-12-05 10:10 AM   #13 
              - I was here when stevenstevensteven came around.  Chi   May-12-05 05:00 PM   #19 
              - I'm not attacking ESI..but I think that ..  Sancho   May-12-05 05:05 PM   #20 
                 - Regarding the funding of ESI.  eomer   May-14-05 10:24 AM   #37 
     - Here's an even more direct statement that DOES say that:  eomer   May-12-05 10:34 AM   #14 
     - Exactly what we need to do for 2006  Kip Humphrey   May-13-05 06:59 AM   #25 
        - Agree in theory...  eomer   May-13-05 07:36 AM   #26 
           - Read Peace Patriot's posts about rRrvK  Filius Nullius   May-14-05 10:21 PM   #54 
     - speak for yourself my friend  garybeck   May-14-05 02:25 AM   #35 
  - True, FINAL exit polls are not fraud detectors, they're fraud-enhancers.  TruthIsAll   May-12-05 05:14 PM   #21 
  - eomer, you are spot-on. You are as knowledgable as anyone on DU.  TruthIsAll   May-13-05 10:10 PM   #31 
  - "Debunkers," "Nay-Sayers. Thanks for coming together on one place  autorank   May-13-05 08:59 PM   #27 
  - Disagreement does not make us republicans  Boredtodeath   May-13-05 09:40 PM   #28 
  - Interesting you use the word "Repiublicans." I didn't.  autorank   May-13-05 10:04 PM   #29 
     - For some reason you think that  Sawyer   May-13-05 10:09 PM   #30 
        - You emulate what you deny!  autorank   May-13-05 10:59 PM   #32 
  - But Prozac would not have been  Febble   May-14-05 11:26 AM   #38 
  - Prozac or anyother psychotropic drug relies on clinical trials.  autorank   May-14-05 02:06 PM   #40 
  - And I agree  Febble   May-14-05 05:01 PM   #43 
     - Question.  Carolab   May-18-05 02:54 AM   #66 
  - xxxDelete  Filius Nullius   May-14-05 10:10 PM   #50 
  - This basically sums it up it seems.  LightningFlash   May-18-05 02:55 AM   #67 
  - grrrrrrrrrrrrr  helderheid   May-13-05 11:03 PM   #33 
  - Bears Repeating  autorank   May-14-05 02:02 AM   #34 
     - Ukraine -  Sawyer   May-14-05 04:37 PM   #42 
        - Ensuivant Moi, Monsieur?  autorank   May-14-05 09:51 PM   #48 
           - All those links do not contradict  Sawyer   May-14-05 09:59 PM   #49 
              - It's the Oy Vey Show  autorank   May-14-05 10:12 PM   #51 
                 - As I pointed out, the exit polls in the second  Sawyer   May-14-05 10:20 PM   #53 
                 - You didn't take my advice. What a pity!  autorank   May-14-05 10:29 PM   #55 
                    - Just like TIA - you evade questions  Sawyer   May-14-05 10:32 PM   #56 
                       - I fully embrace the comparison. Bouy, bouy!!!  autorank   May-14-05 10:40 PM   #58 
  - This post makes me extremely angry.  autorank   May-14-05 09:40 AM   #36 
  - Autorank my friend, I think you are confused, eomer is not  Melissa G   May-14-05 01:06 PM   #39 
     - Thanks Melissa and that is right, I am not attacking garybeck  eomer   May-14-05 02:40 PM   #41 
        - eomer, I misread you message, my appologies!  autorank   May-14-05 06:11 PM   #44 
           - Thanks but no need to apologize.  eomer   May-14-05 06:38 PM   #45 
              - No need to appologize! I need to GOVEL, My bery bery BAD!  autorank   May-14-05 07:02 PM   #47 
  - Read the NM Exit Poll Report  Bill Bored   May-14-05 06:48 PM   #46 
  - Votewatch/ESI confuses me. How can they separate product from  autorank   May-14-05 10:38 PM   #57 
     - They did do an exit poll  Bill Bored   May-14-05 10:59 PM   #59 
        - Damn, this stuff get's deep, perhaps Byzantine!  autorank   May-14-05 11:04 PM   #60 
  - I thought 2004 polls were most sophisticated ever. What happened?  Filius Nullius   May-14-05 10:14 PM   #52 
  - Filius (if I may be informal), I vote for "stupid pills."  autorank   May-14-05 11:06 PM   #61 
  - from ESI  stevenstevensteven   May-17-05 10:35 AM   #62 
  - Steven, here are my questions regarding this report.  eomer   May-17-05 02:43 PM   #63 
     - Actually the NEP NM Exit Poll was within the MOE.  Bill Bored   May-18-05 01:58 AM   #65 
        - Hey Bill,  eomer   May-18-05 05:58 AM   #68 
        - Have you looked at all their papers on NM?  Bill Bored   May-18-05 04:57 PM   #69 
           - Bill, I agree totally about the definition of random  eomer   May-19-05 09:22 AM   #71 
              - Well they SHOULD be willing to discuss the meaning of the term RANDOM  Bill Bored   May-19-05 11:42 AM   #73 
                 - When you say the rest of the allegations are ad hominem,  eomer   May-19-05 11:52 AM   #74 
                    - No not those.  Bill Bored   May-19-05 12:53 PM   #76 
        - Also undervotes could have swung it  Febble   May-19-05 09:26 AM   #72 
           - Thank you Febble  Bill Bored   May-19-05 12:04 PM   #75 
  - ..kick  Chi   May-17-05 08:41 PM   #64 
  - ...kick  Chi   May-19-05 08:54 AM   #70 
 

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