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Mon Apr-11-05 03:23 PM
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Edited on Mon Apr-11-05 03:25 PM by forgethell
I think it was a transparent as any other Presidential election.
Remember, a lot the electronic voting was installed to correct the problems created by paper punch card ballots that some voters did not have the mental capacity to use. Was it a mistake? Probably. Still, it was within the law.
OK, OK you guys win. The Republicans cheated. We knew they were going to cheat, and either made no efforts to stop them, in which case we have no legitimate complaints, or they were so slick, so much smarter than we are, that we will never win another election again, and might as well go to Canada like we all threatened to do. What are you waiting for?
Or, my carefully thought out position, we got whipped more or less legitimately and need to re-trench our ideas, our policies, our organization. But nobody here wants to do that.
Maybe I'd go to Canada, but I've been there, and it's too damn cold for me.
On edit: I agree, we should work towards transparent elections, elimination of voter fraud, and other reforms. Maybe then we will win. But that won't be the only reason.
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| -The anti fraud argument is backwards. |
yourout |
Apr-10-05 09:59 PM |
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No, the default |
forgethell |
Apr-10-05 10:01 PM |
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Nope. Burden is on government, since duty is on da govt |
Land Shark |
Apr-11-05 01:24 AM |
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On the other hand, |
forgethell |
Apr-11-05 08:07 AM |
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The limits on freedom of speech are very limited, only defamation |
Land Shark |
Apr-11-05 09:28 AM |
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As I said, anybody can say |
forgethell |
Apr-11-05 09:54 AM |
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You got it all wrong when parties withhold evidence, the burden |
Land Shark |
Apr-11-05 10:48 PM |
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There are a few problems with your analysis. |
Stevepol |
Apr-15-05 08:31 AM |
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No in the real world... |
Blue Shark |
Apr-11-05 02:45 PM |
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Still, if the customer |
forgethell |
Apr-11-05 03:02 PM |
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Yes... |
Blue Shark |
Apr-11-05 07:53 PM |
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Yes indeedy, |
forgethell |
Apr-11-05 09:42 PM |
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forget it, forgethell |
Land Shark |
Apr-12-05 11:20 AM |
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First prove |
forgethell |
Apr-13-05 11:55 AM |
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You are correct sir. |
Dr_eldritch |
Apr-10-05 10:02 PM |
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Apr-10-05 10:04 PM |
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Prove that my $20 is real.. |
yourout |
Apr-10-05 10:07 PM |
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Apr-10-05 10:20 PM |
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Kewl example |
Chi |
Apr-10-05 11:33 PM |
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Apr-10-05 11:47 PM |
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Who introduced the strawman? |
eomer |
Apr-10-05 11:54 PM |
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Thanx eomer 8) |
Chi |
Apr-11-05 08:13 AM |
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BUH- BYE! Don't know when I've been happier to see someone |
Melissa G |
Apr-11-05 09:53 PM |
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I agree |
Chi |
Apr-11-05 11:08 PM |
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It was a good chuckle...But I thought your ATM response was superb! n/t |
Melissa G |
Apr-12-05 11:40 AM |
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To which I'd have had to say that I want to see the day audits to |
igil |
Apr-11-05 02:12 PM |
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Go ahead and try it...... |
Chi |
Apr-11-05 03:11 PM |
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No you don't. |
forgethell |
Apr-10-05 10:23 PM |
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Agreed! even with oblivious media non coverage |
Melissa G |
Apr-10-05 10:05 PM |
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This I agree with - prove the Electoral process is as sound as it CAN be. |
FreepFryer |
Apr-11-05 12:05 AM |
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This I can agree with. |
forgethell |
Apr-11-05 03:15 PM |
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Well, with Bush approval rating in the low 40s |
Dhalgren |
Apr-10-05 10:16 PM |
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Could it be proven for any election ever? |
LoZoccolo |
Apr-10-05 10:34 PM |
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You cannot prove the absence of fraud. It is an ontological truism. |
FreepFryer |
Apr-10-05 11:28 PM |
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Elections have two parts... |
yourout |
Apr-11-05 08:28 AM |
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Touche' yourout, touche' |
Land Shark |
Apr-11-05 09:31 AM |
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That's in a court. |
forgethell |
Apr-11-05 03:16 PM |
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Yes but sometimes the burden shifts, forgethell, so go to law school n/t |
Land Shark |
Apr-12-05 03:26 PM |
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Not on this issue |
forgethell |
Apr-13-05 11:38 AM |
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Quick question, hope I'm not intruding. |
Chi |
Apr-13-05 12:28 PM |
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Perhaps, |
forgethell |
Apr-13-05 12:42 PM |
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So, I can infer from your statement... |
Chi |
Apr-13-05 02:01 PM |
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I'm saying |
forgethell |
Apr-13-05 03:17 PM |
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I'm simply trying to understand your opinion. |
Chi |
Apr-13-05 03:54 PM |
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I don't think that you do. |
forgethell |
Apr-13-05 06:54 PM |
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Well, to understand I would ask this... |
Chi |
Apr-13-05 10:35 PM |
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You know |
forgethell |
Apr-14-05 07:04 AM |
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Actually, the way I look at it.... |
Chi |
Apr-14-05 08:09 AM |
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OK, now I'm confused. |
forgethell |
Apr-14-05 09:39 AM |
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Crystal clear 8) |
Chi |
Apr-14-05 11:28 AM |
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Well, it wouldn't, by itself, |
forgethell |
Apr-14-05 06:17 PM |
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Sorry for the delay... |
Chi |
Apr-15-05 08:15 AM |
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Well, I've |
forgethell |
Apr-15-05 08:25 AM |
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Well.... |
Chi |
Apr-15-05 08:43 AM |
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We seem to have |
forgethell |
Apr-15-05 03:06 PM |
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Actually... |
Chi |
Apr-16-05 09:14 AM |
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I'll read the report's, |
forgethell |
Apr-16-05 12:18 PM |
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What happens when |
starmaker |
Apr-13-05 04:11 PM |
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I just thin we haven't |
forgethell |
Apr-13-05 06:55 PM |
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Here's the thing. |
forgethell |
Apr-11-05 03:11 PM |
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forgethell, you are absolutely wrong. ELECTIONS MUST BE TRANSPARENT, |
Peace Patriot |
Apr-11-05 02:09 PM |
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Yes, maybe but |
forgethell |
Apr-11-05 03:23 PM |
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forgethell, I DO agree that the Democratic Party needs strong reform, |
Peace Patriot |
Apr-14-05 10:58 AM |
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Well said Peace Patriot, well said. ... n/t |
Chi |
Apr-11-05 11:11 PM |
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we have plenty of proof |
mopinko |
Apr-14-05 08:41 AM |
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No, mopinko, the Constitution does not say that. |
PaganPreacher |
Apr-14-05 10:54 AM |
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If I was a |
kster |
Apr-14-05 11:25 AM |
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Kster, what evidence has convinced you... |
PaganPreacher |
Apr-14-05 11:30 AM |
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That's ludicrous. There have been many egregious violations by OH SoS, |
FreepFryer |
Apr-14-05 06:37 PM |
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I'm not whitewashing, FF. |
PaganPreacher |
Apr-15-05 11:36 AM |
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Is it just an allegation... |
eomer |
Apr-15-05 12:24 PM |
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At this time, it is still "alleged." |
PaganPreacher |
Apr-15-05 12:42 PM |
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That's very funny... |
eomer |
Apr-15-05 01:51 PM |
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There was no switcheroo, eomer. |
PaganPreacher |
Apr-15-05 02:53 PM |
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Go back and read your first post. |
eomer |
Apr-15-05 03:17 PM |
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You're right, eomer... |
PaganPreacher |
Apr-15-05 03:50 PM |
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So eyewitness reports of official recount observers... |
eomer |
Apr-15-05 03:57 PM |
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many claims are probably provable in court. |
mopinko |
Apr-14-05 11:43 AM |
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A preponderance can consist of a few facts and a bunch of |
Land Shark |
Apr-14-05 10:03 PM |
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So, does that trial strategy work for you, counselor? |
PaganPreacher |
Apr-15-05 10:12 AM |
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yes, it works for me, but |
Land Shark |
Apr-16-05 10:54 AM |
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Oil Companies Commit Price Fraud Every Day |
NewsHound123 |
Apr-16-05 12:24 PM |
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Your in. |
LatePeriduct |
Apr-16-05 06:29 PM |
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