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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. "War President"
Bush "won" two elections via serious criminal fraud. No question about it.
That being said, I have seen the spurious "War President" come from somebody who used to be smart and leftie. At a Christmas party, this ex-hippie brother-in-law of mine ranted like a Fox "news" host about how wrong it would be to change presidents during wartime (you know the joke about the kid who murders his parents then asks the judge for clemency because he's an orphan?) It's such a feeble argument, but after seeing somebody I once respected, a history teacher, a formerly good American fall for that argument, I won't underestimate how easily people can delude themselves.
On the other hand, I am also acquainted with enough Bush-to-Kerry converts that no scenario would be realistic if it did not count some folks who came to see through the lies... or who liked the campaign promises of 2000 and saw the old Bush flip-flop again and again.
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  -FASTEN SEAT BELTS. THIS IS THE CLINCHER. TruthIsAll  Mar-29-05 12:08 AM   #0 
  - kick for TIA!  Melissa G   Mar-29-05 12:15 AM   #1 
  - KERRY NATIONAL VOTE MARGIN OF VICTORY  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 06:57 PM   #38 
     - THE GRAPH...  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 08:03 PM   #44 
  - kicking it for TIA  GetTheRightVote   Mar-29-05 12:34 AM   #2 
  - Kick like a rockette.  aquart   Mar-29-05 01:02 AM   #3 
  - KICK AGAIN  Maraya1969   Mar-29-05 01:12 AM   #4 
  - It's going to Conyers. n/t  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 01:30 AM   #5 
     - I emailed your great list of threads to the Conyers site yesterday  Nothing Without Hope   Mar-29-05 03:52 AM   #10 
  - KICK!  TheGoldenRule   Mar-29-05 01:46 AM   #6 
  - Wow.  Old and In the Way   Mar-29-05 02:10 AM   #7 
  - i know i run in liberal circles but i honestly do not know anyone  scarletlib   Mar-29-05 08:34 AM   #14 
  - I like it. But a little confused.  PowerToThePeople   Mar-29-05 03:04 AM   #8 
  - The percentage of new voters does go up and is factored in...  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 06:45 AM   #12 
  - Crap!! Now that's alot of dead guys  LatePeriduct   Mar-29-05 03:19 AM   #9 
  - kicking for truth!  BamaBecky   Mar-29-05 06:08 AM   #11 
  - You just proved if the election day exit polls are right Kerry won n/t  Disfronted   Mar-29-05 08:17 AM   #13 
     - No, we have proved Kerry won, even assuming bogus Final Exit Poll stats  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 09:01 AM   #17 
        - But you use exit polls to allocate undecided voters n/t  Disfronted   Mar-29-05 05:20 PM   #27 
           - There is no "undecided" voter ; you are confusing the demographic  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 06:11 PM   #33 
              - I asked this below, what about crossover voters.  seriousstan   Mar-29-05 06:18 PM   #34 
                 - If anything more crossed over from Bush to Kerry  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 06:37 PM   #35 
                    - I disagree, I also think these are the voters most likely to lie about  seriousstan   Mar-29-05 06:50 PM   #37 
                       - His other stats are sorted by issue too. n/t  LatePeriduct   Mar-29-05 11:20 PM   #49 
                       - If you have anything to substantiate these theories.....  Chi   Mar-30-05 04:14 PM   #52 
                       - "My mother would never tell an exit poll anything."  Peace Patriot   Apr-05-05 07:07 PM   #62 
  - View the Mathematical FACTS for the TRUTH.  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 08:56 AM   #15 
  - Keep it coming TIA  keepthemhonest   Mar-29-05 08:56 AM   #16 
  - We were told on Nov. 3 that 1+1=3, and that we should move on.  bleever   Mar-29-05 11:13 AM   #18 
  - And the hits just keep on coming........  Old and In the Way   Mar-29-05 11:32 AM   #19 
  - What do you actually DO with the results of all your number crunching  eowyn_of_rohan   Mar-29-05 11:48 AM   #20 
  - I don't do anything with it. But it gets around the NET pretty quick.  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 12:15 PM   #21 
  - The Rove counterstroke  PATRICK   Mar-29-05 12:25 PM   #22 
  - Kick again  Maraya1969   Mar-29-05 01:22 PM   #23 
  - Great TIA! This is a step forward...  dzika   Mar-29-05 02:55 PM   #24 
  - Which Exit Poll?  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 04:34 PM   #26 
     - DO you find this odd?  Old and In the Way   Mar-29-05 05:46 PM   #29 
     - It was posted on CNN at 2:05 pm, 14 hours after the polls closed.  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 06:39 PM   #36 
        - So 94% of the polling data is accummulated and reported during  Old and In the Way   Mar-29-05 07:08 PM   #39 
     - I understand. bad poll = bad vote  dzika   Mar-29-05 05:50 PM   #30 
  - Do you account for voters for Gore that then voted for Bush this time?  seriousstan   Mar-29-05 04:31 PM   #25 
  - If you DID NOT vote for Bush in 2000--why would you vote for BUSH  FogerRox   Mar-29-05 06:04 PM   #31 
  - I am talking about the security/foreign policy issue voters.  seriousstan   Mar-29-05 06:09 PM   #32 
  - Counter intuittive, no?  Old and In the Way   Mar-29-05 07:18 PM   #42 
     - Old and In the Way --said ""Counter intuittive, no?" EXACTLY my friend  FogerRox   Mar-30-05 03:44 PM   #51 
     - My best friend and his wife did it  theboss   Apr-07-05 06:50 PM   #73 
  - On Edit: The exit poll accounts for crossover.  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 07:09 PM   #40 
     - And I keep adding that there is an emotional/political factor in the...  Peace Patriot   Apr-05-05 08:00 PM   #67 
  - Thanks TIA  bpilgrim   Mar-29-05 05:26 PM   #28 
  - I must be missing something....  kiwi_expat   Mar-29-05 07:09 PM   #41 
  - kiwi, r u serious? Read the exit poll category weightings.  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 07:19 PM   #43 
     - You're right. I did miss something.  kiwi_expat   Mar-29-05 08:18 PM   #46 
        - OK, you really want to stretch it, don't you?  TruthIsAll   Mar-29-05 09:20 PM   #47 
           - Thanks for that.  kiwi_expat   Mar-29-05 10:08 PM   #48 
           - Would you find this combo more plausible?  kiwi_expat   Apr-05-05 09:33 AM   #57 
              - Both of your scenarios are implausible  TruthIsAll   Apr-05-05 11:05 AM   #58 
              - "War President"  O.M.B.inOhio   Apr-05-05 05:51 PM   #61 
              - Please run this scenario:  kiwi_expat   Apr-05-05 07:26 PM   #63 
              - national popular vs. electoral?  liam_laddie   Apr-05-05 07:55 PM   #65 
                 - You must look at the state exit poll deviations...  TruthIsAll   Apr-05-05 08:57 PM   #68 
                 - I would say (instead of "lots of evidence), the following:  Peace Patriot   Apr-05-05 09:04 PM   #69 
                 - retort to doubters  liam_laddie   Apr-05-05 10:30 PM   #71 
                    - There are 64 million Kerry voters who feel the same way you do...  TruthIsAll   Apr-07-05 12:35 PM   #72 
              - FOUR SCENARIOS  TruthIsAll   Apr-05-05 07:56 PM   #66 
  - Wow...and Kick!!!  Greylyn58   Mar-29-05 08:06 PM   #45 
  - Great work TIA :)  merwin   Mar-30-05 03:06 PM   #50 
  - DAMN YOU'RE COOL, TIA!!!  byronius   Mar-30-05 07:00 PM   #53 
  - Kick for TIA!  Andromeda   Mar-31-05 01:10 PM   #54 
  - Another KICK for TIA  jen4clark   Mar-31-05 01:44 PM   #55 
  - Great analysis!  NationalEnquirer   Mar-31-05 02:00 PM   #56 
  - Kick..........n/t  kster   Apr-05-05 02:10 PM   #59 
  - Kick....  anaxarchos   Apr-05-05 03:05 PM   #60 
  - TIA -- Just keep on keeping on  davidgmills   Apr-05-05 07:49 PM   #64 
  - TIA is my hero! n/t  BlueIris   Apr-07-05 06:54 PM   #74 
  - I want to add a few more bitsof soft data that supports the extensive...  Peace Patriot   Apr-05-05 09:35 PM   #70 
  - kick  torque   Apr-09-05 03:01 AM   #75 
 

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