Reply #151: You are setting a record here for lies and distortions in a single post

[Kelvin Mace]

You collected money via PayPal for over a year without disclosing that it was not going to buy a server (which you said it was for) or that Harris was not affiliated with you (until Nov. 4, when you finally issued that disclaimer).

The PayPal button I had was the equivalent of a "tip jar" and at NO time did I say I was "buying a server". I said it was to help pay my bandwidth bill. A disclaimer was posted on my site from July 2004 on. It was in the same text box as the PayPal button. I added TWO more disclaimers and removed the button (and have kept it off) as soon as your started soliciting money. The issue is addressed in the links I posted on this thread and includes a discussion of your accusation that I was being deceptive.

Many donors contacted Black Box Voting.org, dismayed that they had given money to your paypal, never realizing that it never made its way to the nonprofit organization, having gotten stuck in your pocket.

Less than one dozen people donated to me instead of Bev. I know because I contacted each person when I realized Bev was out begging for cash. I refunded ALL of their money and would be happy to post the emails in question.

You claim Harris is out soliciting funds from other Web sites, but she's not, nor is BBV, and when asked to prove it, you simply dodged the question.

Uh, where did you ask me to "prove it". In order to dodge a question I have to be asked it. The more I talk to you the more convinced that this is Bev. The style and tone is now identical to her style of arguing.

You claim Harris is "damaging the movement" because she killed off the media, but when evidence is shown that the media is still covering the issue, you then say she's seeking publicity. Well duh. Can't have it both ways, can you?

Yep, same old Bev. I never said you "killed off the media" I said you made our job more difficult. Also, your massive ego is showing again. You conflate any coverage of this issue by the media as directly attributable to you.

You claim Harris is busy stuffing her pockets, yet she has been giving her own assets away, and is not wealthy or even financially secure -- at least, no retirement, which is a worry for anyone over 50. Yet she is giving away $76,000 of her money, and her book -- yet you kept not only your own proceeds from the book, but those belonging to Harris.

You have given nothing away. You have said you will give it away. The difference between what you say you will do and what you actually do is a major issue of discussion. As to proceeds from the book, this issue has been addressed and the convoluted lies you told in its regard have been laid out.

You say you are doing lots of work in your own state, but when asked what you are doing specifically, you say you don't have to answer.

No, I said I don't have to answer to YOU. I have posted links to my activities in this very thread. Do I have to take you by the hand and point them out to you? This is yet another example of your talent at lies and distortion.

This thread would be a lot less annoying if you simply focused on the real issues -- voting reform -- and discussed new research you are doing.

I have never claimed to being doing any "research", especially if research means what you do. I have said I was working on the issue in my state.

It's called Google, Bev. You can use it to look these things up. If I start posting links to news stories your next tactic will be to pounce on it and pull up my previous post where I say I am not seeking your kind of attention and use the links to accuse me of lying.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org