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75. Ah, so in HAVA-ese this includes tabulators.
While Holt's office said the bill did not specifically address tabulators, it looks as if they are included. How about posting this in my HR 550 thread? Thanks for digging this up. You are becoming a "go to" guy on HAVA!

We should do a search for the words "voting system" in HR 550 to see where else it might be mentioned. I don't think it's in the auditing clause.
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  -If you had to guess how the tabulation fraud was pulled off on Nov. 2.. rosebud57  Mar-03-05 11:36 AM   #0 
  - The ES&S machines in NM  Warpy   Mar-03-05 11:40 AM   #1 
  - Since it actually came down to Ohio and Kerry was polling 53% in  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 11:55 AM   #3 
  - Fla. had most fraud, but T. S. switching in 16 states &manipulation in 25  berniew1   Mar-07-05 08:24 PM   #101 
  - Yes. How can everyone not see how blatant the fraud is?  spooked911   Mar-04-05 11:48 AM   #30 
     - They will when my parody Behind The Election starts spreading like...  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 02:49 PM   #39 
  - Lock down in Warren Co. I think it was more than one thing...I really  Amaryllis   Mar-03-05 11:55 AM   #2 
  - bingo  librechik   Mar-03-05 08:50 PM   #11 
  - Mitofsky's computer "crashed" both 2000 AND 2004.  Carolab   Mar-03-05 11:07 PM   #18 
     - Carolab, did you read Votescam yet? Mitofsky has been complicit in  Amaryllis   Mar-04-05 07:06 PM   #44 
        - I've read excerpts. Enough to understand the media is behind this all.  Carolab   Mar-04-05 08:27 PM   #46 
           - Yep. Creative vote count reporting. Bad as e-voting. So what do we do?  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 12:27 AM   #47 
              - Kick the media out of the mix.  Carolab   Mar-05-05 12:49 AM   #48 
                 - I'm wondering if HR 550 would help.  Wilms   Mar-05-05 01:37 AM   #50 
                 - Good question. Can you pose it to someone in Congress or to Conyers?  Carolab   Mar-05-05 01:46 AM   #51 
                 - Deal n/t  Wilms   Mar-05-05 01:46 AM   #52 
                 - What's eom?  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 06:02 PM   #70 
                 - Wilms, you brought this up in my post about the Election News Service. You  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 06:02 PM   #69 
                 - It seems so hopeful that it might be a bill killer.  Wilms   Mar-05-05 06:25 PM   #71 
                    - Wilms, check this out. Just did a search on Voter News Service which  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 06:39 PM   #72 
                       - I know what you're saying.  Wilms   Mar-06-05 01:23 AM   #74 
                          - According to this article, the ELection News Service is no more???  Amaryllis   Mar-06-05 10:21 AM   #84 
                             - But they've been replaced by something as evil, no?? n/t  Wilms   Mar-06-05 01:52 PM   #86 
                                - Thought they'd been replaced by the Voter News Service. But this  Amaryllis   Mar-06-05 05:33 PM   #88 
                                   - Yes, yes.  Wilms   Mar-06-05 07:31 PM   #89 
                 - Ah, so in HAVA-ese this includes tabulators.  Bill Bored   Mar-06-05 02:17 AM   #75 
                 - That's the kind of search I did with 550 and HAVA.  Wilms   Mar-06-05 02:22 AM   #76 
                 - "Stop wondering HR 550 won't help."  sacxtra   Mar-07-05 06:13 AM   #91 
                 - Mitofsky is as complicit as the media. Read Votescam.  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 05:57 PM   #68 
  - It was too important to "mastermind"  PATRICK   Mar-04-05 12:31 PM   #34 
     - I have to agree with you...  seaclyr   Mar-05-05 03:41 PM   #63 
  - Good Question  gumby   Mar-03-05 12:07 PM   #4 
  - wouldn't require more than a handful of people.  Stevepol   Mar-03-05 12:42 PM   #8 
     - Could be done easily with one person  bailey77   Mar-04-05 10:04 AM   #25 
        - The majority of OH ballots were tabulated by ES&S and Triad...  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 02:02 PM   #36 
        - Update, Conyers' staffers have requested info on the hack  bailey77   Mar-04-05 04:30 PM   #42 
  - Diebold GEMS allows importing of votes  Bill Bored   Mar-03-05 12:13 PM   #5 
  - Black Box Voting, working with another expert, has some answers  bailey77   Mar-04-05 09:36 AM   #24 
  - How about using something like this?  passy   Mar-05-05 01:23 PM   #59 
     - How would someone who understood networking say this if they  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 05:01 PM   #65 
  - Ohio Ballot Order  Bill Bored   Mar-03-05 12:19 PM   #6 
  - They must be doing something to silence potential whistle-blowers  slackmaster   Mar-03-05 12:19 PM   #7 
  - What if they were pardoned prisoners?  passy   Mar-05-05 01:25 PM   #60 
  - The reason I ask is I am doing a parody of Behind The Music called  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 12:57 PM   #9 
  - kick for more ideas: was the election poll servers going down at...  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 08:38 PM   #10 
  - In any 2 precincts that favored Kerry in any county,  Bill Bored   Mar-03-05 09:14 PM   #13 
     - Arnebeck stated he believed Kerry votes were flipped to Bush  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 09:24 PM   #14 
     - Triad  Number_6   Mar-03-05 11:37 PM   #21 
     - Nov 2, 8:39 PM: Rove & Bush arrive at Oval Office "Election War Room"  Kip Humphrey   Mar-04-05 07:41 AM   #22 
     - I think that is a weak link in the moss/arnebeck case  chorti   Mar-04-05 10:47 AM   #26 
        - I live in SW Ohio and this is why I do not believe it was a weak link...  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 11:29 AM   #28 
           - i'm not convinced  chorti   Mar-04-05 02:17 PM   #38 
              - Not when you consider SC was the last race on the ballot and  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 02:52 PM   #40 
     - Punch card have precinct codes pre punched. The only way to finesse that  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 09:28 PM   #15 
        - Thank you for clearing that up.  Bill Bored   Mar-04-05 11:57 AM   #31 
        - Yes Cuyahoga definitely had some voters sent to wrong punch card  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 02:00 PM   #35 
           - Machine Configuration Malfeasance on a Grand Scale  Iceburg   Mar-04-05 03:46 PM   #41 
              - My mom was a poll worker for years and she said they set up  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 05:50 PM   #43 
              - Iceburg, check out this thread too:  Bill Bored   Mar-05-05 01:08 AM   #49 
                 - Thanks Bill ... I know the topic very well...  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 09:06 AM   #55 
                    - I thought you might!  Bill Bored   Mar-05-05 12:47 PM   #58 
                       - BB -- you raise very good questions  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 01:32 PM   #61 
        - Are you certain that they are pre-punched and not ink-stamped?  Iceburg   Mar-06-05 05:16 AM   #77 
           - It has been a couple months since I researched punch cards...  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 09:02 AM   #79 
              - a picture of a punch card  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 09:15 AM   #80 
              - rosebud, I cut my teeth on the BCD-H key-punch character set  Iceburg   Mar-06-05 10:06 AM   #82 
                 - I approached the punch card question from a tabulation fraud perspective..  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 02:12 PM   #87 
                    - Rosebud, I do discount neither the possibility nor the probability  Iceburg   Mar-07-05 10:13 AM   #92 
                       - Will inquire at Hamilton County BoE, just read that Ohio African  rosebud57   Mar-07-05 07:20 PM   #99 
  - 50 million with motive  Land Shark   Mar-03-05 09:08 PM   #12 
  - I'd like to nominate your post. But DU ain't set up for that. n/t  Wilms   Mar-03-05 09:39 PM   #16 
     - This is a hypothetical, the reason I need a best guess scenario...  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 11:35 AM   #29 
  - Kerry Went From 15% to a 2% Margin in 4 hours in PA.  On Par   Mar-03-05 09:41 PM   #17 
  - So why did he concede so soon?  Bill Bored   Mar-04-05 12:08 PM   #32 
     - I Don't Think Kerry Should Have Conceded As Early As He Did  On Par   Mar-04-05 12:26 PM   #33 
  - Touchscreen fraud documented in 15 states and ...  berniew1   Mar-03-05 11:24 PM   #19 
  - Note that the documentation on Ohio has been updated/added to  berniew1   Mar-03-05 11:30 PM   #20 
     - central tabulator fraud would only require 4-5 people  indianaleft   Mar-04-05 09:02 AM   #23 
        - GEMS is a Diebold Program. Did Diebold really do counts for other vendors?  demodonkey   Mar-04-05 11:04 AM   #27 
        - and don't forget CBOSS  chorti   Mar-04-05 02:04 PM   #37 
        - Using this would help gain remote access!  passy   Mar-05-05 01:40 PM   #62 
        - Does each state have a central tabulator?  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 09:37 AM   #81 
  - Most of us used punchcards  lauralei   Mar-04-05 07:33 PM   #45 
  - There is compelling evidence both statistically  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 08:21 AM   #53 
  - The assumption is that punch cards deter tabulation fraud...  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 08:22 AM   #54 
  - Rosebud can you please point me to any on-line documents  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 09:45 AM   #57 
     - I do not believe that they tested the punch cards, but she told me  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 04:25 PM   #64 
        - In other words, the machines were configured and tested  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 11:14 PM   #73 
           - I don't know, but if you want to contact the Hamilton County BoE...  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 08:56 AM   #78 
  - ..and those punchcards were counted by computers running Triad software...  Junkdrawer   Mar-05-05 09:31 AM   #56 
     - Not just Triad, if you look at Moss vs. Bush the biggest vote flips  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 05:06 PM   #66 
  - Has anyone thought to try contacting hackers for insight?...  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 05:45 PM   #67 
  - HERE'S HOW! GOD DAMN IT!  sacxtra   Mar-06-05 10:14 AM   #83 
  - The penetration of the central tabulators is the easy part...  Iceburg   Mar-06-05 10:54 AM   #85 
     - Iceburg YES! YOUR DEAD ON. BUT WE ARE BEING IGNORED  sacxtra   Mar-07-05 06:11 AM   #90 
  - Look at the residual rates  pat_k   Mar-07-05 02:58 PM   #93 
  - Pattern for missing turnout data in the 2004 working paper?  pat_k   Mar-07-05 03:22 PM   #94 
  - Very interesting pat, but the theory only applies to  Iceburg   Mar-07-05 03:45 PM   #95 
     - ???  pat_k   Mar-07-05 05:47 PM   #96 
        - Bingo n/t  Wilms   Mar-07-05 05:48 PM   #97 
  - How Triad hacked  TorchesAndPitchforks   Mar-07-05 06:55 PM   #98 
  - This post deserves it's own thread. More eyeballs should see this.  btmlndfrmr   Mar-07-05 08:05 PM   #100 
  - This is the hard stuff  TorchesAndPitchforks   Mar-09-05 07:33 PM   #103 
     - Thanks for the update. I applaud your efforts. and...  btmlndfrmr   Mar-10-05 11:00 AM   #104 
  - Excellent! Must read! But why did Triad send out Techs before the Recount?  farmbo   Mar-10-05 11:27 AM   #105 
  - Several states appear were swung by fraud & manipulation: documentation  berniew1   Mar-07-05 08:28 PM   #102 
 

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