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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:19 PM
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6. Ohio Ballot Order
In any Kerry-heavy precinct in which the ballot rotation was such that Kerry votes could be shifted to Bush and vice versa, even a random shuffling of ballots would favor Bush because more votes would shift to Bush than to Kerry. There were many such precincts in OH.
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  -If you had to guess how the tabulation fraud was pulled off on Nov. 2.. rosebud57  Mar-03-05 11:36 AM   #0 
  - The ES&S machines in NM  Warpy   Mar-03-05 11:40 AM   #1 
  - Since it actually came down to Ohio and Kerry was polling 53% in  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 11:55 AM   #3 
  - Fla. had most fraud, but T. S. switching in 16 states &manipulation in 25  berniew1   Mar-07-05 08:24 PM   #101 
  - Yes. How can everyone not see how blatant the fraud is?  spooked911   Mar-04-05 11:48 AM   #30 
     - They will when my parody Behind The Election starts spreading like...  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 02:49 PM   #39 
  - Lock down in Warren Co. I think it was more than one thing...I really  Amaryllis   Mar-03-05 11:55 AM   #2 
  - bingo  librechik   Mar-03-05 08:50 PM   #11 
  - Mitofsky's computer "crashed" both 2000 AND 2004.  Carolab   Mar-03-05 11:07 PM   #18 
     - Carolab, did you read Votescam yet? Mitofsky has been complicit in  Amaryllis   Mar-04-05 07:06 PM   #44 
        - I've read excerpts. Enough to understand the media is behind this all.  Carolab   Mar-04-05 08:27 PM   #46 
           - Yep. Creative vote count reporting. Bad as e-voting. So what do we do?  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 12:27 AM   #47 
              - Kick the media out of the mix.  Carolab   Mar-05-05 12:49 AM   #48 
                 - I'm wondering if HR 550 would help.  Wilms   Mar-05-05 01:37 AM   #50 
                 - Good question. Can you pose it to someone in Congress or to Conyers?  Carolab   Mar-05-05 01:46 AM   #51 
                 - Deal n/t  Wilms   Mar-05-05 01:46 AM   #52 
                 - What's eom?  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 06:02 PM   #70 
                 - Wilms, you brought this up in my post about the Election News Service. You  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 06:02 PM   #69 
                 - It seems so hopeful that it might be a bill killer.  Wilms   Mar-05-05 06:25 PM   #71 
                    - Wilms, check this out. Just did a search on Voter News Service which  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 06:39 PM   #72 
                       - I know what you're saying.  Wilms   Mar-06-05 01:23 AM   #74 
                          - According to this article, the ELection News Service is no more???  Amaryllis   Mar-06-05 10:21 AM   #84 
                             - But they've been replaced by something as evil, no?? n/t  Wilms   Mar-06-05 01:52 PM   #86 
                                - Thought they'd been replaced by the Voter News Service. But this  Amaryllis   Mar-06-05 05:33 PM   #88 
                                   - Yes, yes.  Wilms   Mar-06-05 07:31 PM   #89 
                 - Ah, so in HAVA-ese this includes tabulators.  Bill Bored   Mar-06-05 02:17 AM   #75 
                 - That's the kind of search I did with 550 and HAVA.  Wilms   Mar-06-05 02:22 AM   #76 
                 - "Stop wondering HR 550 won't help."  sacxtra   Mar-07-05 06:13 AM   #91 
                 - Mitofsky is as complicit as the media. Read Votescam.  Amaryllis   Mar-05-05 05:57 PM   #68 
  - It was too important to "mastermind"  PATRICK   Mar-04-05 12:31 PM   #34 
     - I have to agree with you...  seaclyr   Mar-05-05 03:41 PM   #63 
  - Good Question  gumby   Mar-03-05 12:07 PM   #4 
  - wouldn't require more than a handful of people.  Stevepol   Mar-03-05 12:42 PM   #8 
     - Could be done easily with one person  bailey77   Mar-04-05 10:04 AM   #25 
        - The majority of OH ballots were tabulated by ES&S and Triad...  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 02:02 PM   #36 
        - Update, Conyers' staffers have requested info on the hack  bailey77   Mar-04-05 04:30 PM   #42 
  - Diebold GEMS allows importing of votes  Bill Bored   Mar-03-05 12:13 PM   #5 
  - Black Box Voting, working with another expert, has some answers  bailey77   Mar-04-05 09:36 AM   #24 
  - How about using something like this?  passy   Mar-05-05 01:23 PM   #59 
     - How would someone who understood networking say this if they  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 05:01 PM   #65 
  - Ohio Ballot Order  Bill Bored   Mar-03-05 12:19 PM   #6 
  - They must be doing something to silence potential whistle-blowers  slackmaster   Mar-03-05 12:19 PM   #7 
  - What if they were pardoned prisoners?  passy   Mar-05-05 01:25 PM   #60 
  - The reason I ask is I am doing a parody of Behind The Music called  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 12:57 PM   #9 
  - kick for more ideas: was the election poll servers going down at...  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 08:38 PM   #10 
  - In any 2 precincts that favored Kerry in any county,  Bill Bored   Mar-03-05 09:14 PM   #13 
     - Arnebeck stated he believed Kerry votes were flipped to Bush  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 09:24 PM   #14 
     - Triad  Number_6   Mar-03-05 11:37 PM   #21 
     - Nov 2, 8:39 PM: Rove & Bush arrive at Oval Office "Election War Room"  Kip Humphrey   Mar-04-05 07:41 AM   #22 
     - I think that is a weak link in the moss/arnebeck case  chorti   Mar-04-05 10:47 AM   #26 
        - I live in SW Ohio and this is why I do not believe it was a weak link...  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 11:29 AM   #28 
           - i'm not convinced  chorti   Mar-04-05 02:17 PM   #38 
              - Not when you consider SC was the last race on the ballot and  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 02:52 PM   #40 
     - Punch card have precinct codes pre punched. The only way to finesse that  rosebud57   Mar-03-05 09:28 PM   #15 
        - Thank you for clearing that up.  Bill Bored   Mar-04-05 11:57 AM   #31 
        - Yes Cuyahoga definitely had some voters sent to wrong punch card  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 02:00 PM   #35 
           - Machine Configuration Malfeasance on a Grand Scale  Iceburg   Mar-04-05 03:46 PM   #41 
              - My mom was a poll worker for years and she said they set up  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 05:50 PM   #43 
              - Iceburg, check out this thread too:  Bill Bored   Mar-05-05 01:08 AM   #49 
                 - Thanks Bill ... I know the topic very well...  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 09:06 AM   #55 
                    - I thought you might!  Bill Bored   Mar-05-05 12:47 PM   #58 
                       - BB -- you raise very good questions  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 01:32 PM   #61 
        - Are you certain that they are pre-punched and not ink-stamped?  Iceburg   Mar-06-05 05:16 AM   #77 
           - It has been a couple months since I researched punch cards...  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 09:02 AM   #79 
              - a picture of a punch card  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 09:15 AM   #80 
              - rosebud, I cut my teeth on the BCD-H key-punch character set  Iceburg   Mar-06-05 10:06 AM   #82 
                 - I approached the punch card question from a tabulation fraud perspective..  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 02:12 PM   #87 
                    - Rosebud, I do discount neither the possibility nor the probability  Iceburg   Mar-07-05 10:13 AM   #92 
                       - Will inquire at Hamilton County BoE, just read that Ohio African  rosebud57   Mar-07-05 07:20 PM   #99 
  - 50 million with motive  Land Shark   Mar-03-05 09:08 PM   #12 
  - I'd like to nominate your post. But DU ain't set up for that. n/t  Wilms   Mar-03-05 09:39 PM   #16 
     - This is a hypothetical, the reason I need a best guess scenario...  rosebud57   Mar-04-05 11:35 AM   #29 
  - Kerry Went From 15% to a 2% Margin in 4 hours in PA.  On Par   Mar-03-05 09:41 PM   #17 
  - So why did he concede so soon?  Bill Bored   Mar-04-05 12:08 PM   #32 
     - I Don't Think Kerry Should Have Conceded As Early As He Did  On Par   Mar-04-05 12:26 PM   #33 
  - Touchscreen fraud documented in 15 states and ...  berniew1   Mar-03-05 11:24 PM   #19 
  - Note that the documentation on Ohio has been updated/added to  berniew1   Mar-03-05 11:30 PM   #20 
     - central tabulator fraud would only require 4-5 people  indianaleft   Mar-04-05 09:02 AM   #23 
        - GEMS is a Diebold Program. Did Diebold really do counts for other vendors?  demodonkey   Mar-04-05 11:04 AM   #27 
        - and don't forget CBOSS  chorti   Mar-04-05 02:04 PM   #37 
        - Using this would help gain remote access!  passy   Mar-05-05 01:40 PM   #62 
        - Does each state have a central tabulator?  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 09:37 AM   #81 
  - Most of us used punchcards  lauralei   Mar-04-05 07:33 PM   #45 
  - There is compelling evidence both statistically  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 08:21 AM   #53 
  - The assumption is that punch cards deter tabulation fraud...  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 08:22 AM   #54 
  - Rosebud can you please point me to any on-line documents  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 09:45 AM   #57 
     - I do not believe that they tested the punch cards, but she told me  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 04:25 PM   #64 
        - In other words, the machines were configured and tested  Iceburg   Mar-05-05 11:14 PM   #73 
           - I don't know, but if you want to contact the Hamilton County BoE...  rosebud57   Mar-06-05 08:56 AM   #78 
  - ..and those punchcards were counted by computers running Triad software...  Junkdrawer   Mar-05-05 09:31 AM   #56 
     - Not just Triad, if you look at Moss vs. Bush the biggest vote flips  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 05:06 PM   #66 
  - Has anyone thought to try contacting hackers for insight?...  rosebud57   Mar-05-05 05:45 PM   #67 
  - HERE'S HOW! GOD DAMN IT!  sacxtra   Mar-06-05 10:14 AM   #83 
  - The penetration of the central tabulators is the easy part...  Iceburg   Mar-06-05 10:54 AM   #85 
     - Iceburg YES! YOUR DEAD ON. BUT WE ARE BEING IGNORED  sacxtra   Mar-07-05 06:11 AM   #90 
  - Look at the residual rates  pat_k   Mar-07-05 02:58 PM   #93 
  - Pattern for missing turnout data in the 2004 working paper?  pat_k   Mar-07-05 03:22 PM   #94 
  - Very interesting pat, but the theory only applies to  Iceburg   Mar-07-05 03:45 PM   #95 
     - ???  pat_k   Mar-07-05 05:47 PM   #96 
        - Bingo n/t  Wilms   Mar-07-05 05:48 PM   #97 
  - How Triad hacked  TorchesAndPitchforks   Mar-07-05 06:55 PM   #98 
  - This post deserves it's own thread. More eyeballs should see this.  btmlndfrmr   Mar-07-05 08:05 PM   #100 
  - This is the hard stuff  TorchesAndPitchforks   Mar-09-05 07:33 PM   #103 
     - Thanks for the update. I applaud your efforts. and...  btmlndfrmr   Mar-10-05 11:00 AM   #104 
  - Excellent! Must read! But why did Triad send out Techs before the Recount?  farmbo   Mar-10-05 11:27 AM   #105 
  - Several states appear were swung by fraud & manipulation: documentation  berniew1   Mar-07-05 08:28 PM   #102 

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