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39. I saw Kerry on t.v. today
and I think that he never expected to win. I quite frankly think he was a sacrificial lamb, possibly without his real knowledge, but a sacrificial lamb nevertheless.

Kerry commented today that he did much better than anyone expected. Think about that. He also commented how presidents aren't voted out of office during a time of war. I honestly believe the leaders of the democratic party never intended for him to win and the republican party knew it....but along came the almost spoilers, the grassroots people. Just before the election the polls showed Kerry in the lead and somebody had to stop him from winning so they did. I believe the votes were manipulated and I have every idea the democratic party knew that and rolled over because they never, ever intended for Kerry to win.

There are so many ways that the election was box voting, disenfranchisement, paid commentators touting bushes agenda and here's another example:

The Faith-Based Fraud

By News Brief
Jan 27, 2005, 23:29

After its highly touted unveiling, President Bush's faith-based initiative has proceeded largely under the radar. But a lack of attention hasn't shielded the program's constitutional questionability, or its brutal effectiveness.

In 2003--according to White House data reported by the Los Angeles Times--Bush doled out $1 billion to hundreds of faith-based groups through a little-noted executive order. More importantly, the Bush Administration used the grants to sway influential African-Americans in key battleground states and reward longtime political supporters at taxpayer expense.

For example, after the Rev. Herb Lusk II delivered the invocation at the 2000 Republican convention, his Philadelphia church received $1 million in federal funds. Bishop Harold Ray, who offered the invocation at a rally for **** Cheney in Palm Beach, Florida, got $1.7 million for his South Florida ministry. In 2002 Bush personally visited Milwaukee's Bishop Sedgwick Daniels--who voted for Clinton and Gore--and later awarded him a $1.5 million grant. This fall, Daniels's face appeared on Republican Party fliers in Wisconsin, endorsing Bush as a man who "shares our views."

Come on, how could the democratic party be so totally unaware that this was going on? I don't believe they were.

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  -John F. Kerry KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED ON NOVEMBER 2ND RaulVB  Jan-30-05 02:19 PM   #0 
  - he knows Bush won  Cocoa   Jan-30-05 02:20 PM   #1 
  - No, that's false and you know it  RaulVB   Jan-30-05 02:22 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-05 02:23 PM   #4 
  - There is a very long list of people  seito   Jan-30-05 02:39 PM   #12 
  - Rather, he knows bush** stole.  Blue State Native   Jan-31-05 02:53 PM   #120 
  - That Twerp  bywho4who   Jan-31-05 06:34 PM   #126 
  - I'm glad he knows it, but I wish he had fought it longer like  WI_DEM   Jan-30-05 02:22 PM   #2 
  - You want a bloody internal conflict in this country?  RaulVB   Jan-30-05 02:23 PM   #5 
  - If We Do Not Take Them Down - They Will Take Us Down  mhr   Jan-30-05 02:25 PM   #6 
  - I know it...  RaulVB   Jan-30-05 02:29 PM   #7 
     - Bush had to win at any cost. Losing was not an option  rainy   Jan-30-05 07:29 PM   #71 
        - I agree  RaulVB   Jan-30-05 07:54 PM   #78 
        - clean up his mess?  genieroze   Jan-31-05 12:29 PM   #116 
        - I AGREE X INFINITY, and have been screaming this FOREVER!  bardgal   Feb-01-05 07:41 PM   #140 
  - Do I want to take to the streets if necessary?  atxryan   Jan-30-05 02:33 PM   #10 
  - Agreed  RaulVB   Jan-30-05 02:40 PM   #13 
  - interesting US history info..... sources, links???? esp about Seattle  bobbieinok   Jan-30-05 11:21 PM   #88 
     - Google "seattle general strike." Happened in 1919. n/t  dpibel   Feb-01-05 02:01 AM   #136 
  - so what, we take their cheating forever? Greg Palast demonstrated  mod mom   Jan-30-05 04:45 PM   #44 
  - They have killed so many innocent people, caused generations  mod mom   Jan-30-05 04:51 PM   #46 
     - It's getting to a point  Carolab   Jan-31-05 12:36 AM   #94 
  - Hate to join a discussion about Gore/Florida.  Wilms   Jan-30-05 02:29 PM   #8 
  - But aren't you ignoring the voter lists disenfranchisement? (n/t)  ROH   Jan-30-05 05:22 PM   #52 
  - What good did it do Gore?  Sydnie   Jan-30-05 06:16 PM   #62 
  - So do I.  uppityperson   Jan-30-05 02:33 PM   #9 
  - Watch it with that lemming stuff  Last Lemming   Jan-30-05 09:53 PM   #84 
     - Sorry for the bigotted writing LastLemming.  uppityperson   Jan-30-05 11:51 PM   #90 
        - It's funny to call them lemmings, but..  hootinholler   Jan-31-05 06:45 AM   #102 
           - Perhaps "overly domesticated sheep"? or just the easily led.  uppityperson   Jan-31-05 12:23 PM   #115 
  - I think he probably knows, too.  Old and In the Way   Jan-30-05 02:35 PM   #11 
  - Unfortunately this is true  seito   Jan-30-05 02:44 PM   #15 
     - Seito, they own the voting machines. That's why their so arrogant....  loudsue   Jan-31-05 12:25 AM   #93 
        - EXACTLY!!!!!!  bardgal   Feb-01-05 07:52 PM   #141 
  - I agree, and I've been accused of "bashing" Kerry in the past.  mistertrickster   Jan-30-05 02:41 PM   # 
  - Some of the people...  MissWaverly   Jan-30-05 03:04 PM   #25 
     - yeah, that plus the Fallujah offensive, then Mosul, etc.  ginnyinWI   Jan-30-05 05:46 PM   #56 
  - Look, The Wrong Guy Got Nominated  mojaverose   Jan-30-05 02:41 PM   #14 
  - Well I was in Iowa pounding pavements for Dean, and I was hearing  mistertrickster   Jan-30-05 02:46 PM   #16 
  - I don't Think The Vote Was Tampered With  mojaverose   Jan-30-05 03:04 PM   #24 
  - mojaverose: You need to go here...  Peace Patriot   Jan-30-05 04:22 PM   #42 
     - Thank You, Thank You  mojaverose   Jan-30-05 04:47 PM   #45 
        - Glad to be of help, mojaverose! The urls I gave you are just the tip of..  Peace Patriot   Jan-30-05 06:44 PM   #67 
        - If you want to know how it was done, go here:  Amaryllis   Jan-30-05 09:21 PM   #80 
           - Chuck Herrin is the real deal  deacon2   Jan-31-05 07:52 PM   #132 
              - This is what all the techs I've talked with say; you just don't design  Amaryllis   Feb-01-05 08:34 PM   #142 
  - in IA for 72 thru 88....all ages showed up at caucus each time  bobbieinok   Jan-30-05 11:25 PM   #89 
  - OK  seito   Jan-30-05 02:51 PM   #17 
  - As Much as I respect Dean,  DETERMINEDPROGRESIVE   Jan-30-05 03:20 PM   #31 
  - I Like Kerry  mojaverose   Jan-30-05 04:57 PM   #48 
  - me too--it's gonna be good  ginnyinWI   Jan-30-05 05:39 PM   #55 
  - You're a hopeless optimist  Laurab   Jan-30-05 09:54 PM   #85 
  - You are a hopeless optimist, welcome to DU and please keep posting  glitch   Jan-31-05 11:50 AM   #113 
  - Add me to the list of hopeless optimists as well...  Independent_Liberal   Feb-01-05 10:54 PM   #145 
  - well, Dean did win in  ginnyinWI   Jan-30-05 05:33 PM   #54 
  - I agree totally mojaverose, and welcome to DU :)  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jan-30-05 06:27 PM   #63 
  - What makes him an accomplice.  count_alucard   Jan-30-05 02:52 PM   #18 
  - Your comments are quite ridiculous (n/t)  RaulVB   Jan-30-05 02:53 PM   #19 
  - not as ridiculous as  count_alucard   Jan-30-05 02:57 PM   #21 
     - question  ginnyinWI   Jan-30-05 06:03 PM   #57 
        - I've often wondered that too. People keep saying Edwards wanted to fight  Amaryllis   Jan-30-05 09:25 PM   #81 
           - I dislike even suggesting this  sacxtra   Jan-31-05 08:10 AM   #105 
  - Your point is intrestresting  Democrat Dragon   Jan-30-05 02:56 PM   #20 
  - hi testy  Faye   Jan-30-05 06:04 PM   #58 
  - For those who say "It would have been impossible from the beginning"  Democrat Dragon   Jan-30-05 03:00 PM   #22 
  - there's absolutely NOTHING  count_alucard   Jan-30-05 03:02 PM   #23 
  - Could both of you take the bashing elsewhere?  RaulVB   Jan-30-05 03:07 PM   #27 
  - I wan't really bashing  Democrat Dragon   Jan-30-05 03:19 PM   #30 
  - why are you so afraid of the truth?  count_alucard   Jan-30-05 04:24 PM   #43 
  - You are right  seito   Jan-30-05 03:23 PM   #33 
     - that was in the 70's  count_alucard   Jan-30-05 03:29 PM   #35 
        - and he's a fraud  Faye   Jan-30-05 03:30 PM   #36 
           - That's right  seito   Jan-30-05 03:38 PM   #38 
              - Skull n bones eh?  sacxtra   Jan-31-05 08:15 AM   #106 
                 - Well, running around naked pretending to sacrifice children at the  genieroze   Jan-31-05 12:42 PM   #118 
                 - I never said it was illegal n/t  sacxtra   Feb-01-05 12:25 AM   #134 
                 - Hi sacxtra  seito   Jan-31-05 06:40 PM   #127 
  - I want a leader that gets results  seito   Jan-30-05 03:20 PM   #32 
  - Yes we would be in the exact same position  Democrat Dragon   Jan-30-05 03:23 PM   #34 
     - More people knew in 2000  seito   Jan-30-05 03:34 PM   #37 
     - Imagine the reaction  Democrat Dragon   Jan-30-05 03:52 PM   #40 
        - well how were they going to get the message?  ginnyinWI   Jan-30-05 06:11 PM   #60 
     - No, I think more people would have "KNOWN" Kerry was a "sore loser"  Laurab   Jan-30-05 10:11 PM   #86 
        - So it would be foolish  Democrat Dragon   Jan-31-05 06:30 PM   #124 
        - In my opinion, yes it would have  Laurab   Jan-31-05 07:46 PM   #131 
           - True but  Democrat Dragon   Feb-01-05 11:22 PM   #146 
        - I agree 100%  seito   Jan-31-05 06:45 PM   #128 
  - Poppycock!  Sydnie   Jan-30-05 06:07 PM   #59 
  - gimme 20 years  Democrat Dragon   Jan-31-05 06:31 PM   #125 
  - You don't think Kerry knows what? Not clear from your post.  Amaryllis   Jan-30-05 09:27 PM   #82 
     - I don't Kerry knows about  Democrat Dragon   Jan-31-05 06:59 PM   #129 
  - "The last report endorsed by the experts on mathematics"  johan helge   Jan-30-05 03:06 PM   #26 
  - Link here:  RaulVB   Jan-30-05 03:09 PM   #28 
  - Time for my favorite mathematician joke  slackmaster   Jan-31-05 08:48 AM   #107 
  - "Let's hate on Kerry Day"  politicasista   Jan-30-05 03:09 PM   #29 
  - Kerry on, then!  ginnyinWI   Jan-30-05 06:12 PM   #61 
  - I saw Kerry on t.v. today  BlackVelvet04   Jan-30-05 03:42 PM   #39 
  - strange that you say that, it also crossed my mind, that they never  rumpel   Jan-30-05 04:57 PM   #49 
  - MORE PEOPLE NEED TO ASK THIS QUESTION  themartyred   Jan-31-05 07:40 PM   #130 
  - Question about the machines in the Iowa primaries:  Donailin   Jan-30-05 04:08 PM   #41 
  - Yes, I think he knows, but I'm not sure he will go after **** for that.  bush_is_wacko   Jan-30-05 04:54 PM   #47 
  - BlackVelvet04, I thought that was a really, really interesting comment.  Peace Patriot   Jan-30-05 05:08 PM   #50 
  - You have some good points and  BlackVelvet04   Jan-30-05 06:30 PM   #65 
  - PeacePatriot  LiberalCompassionate   Jan-30-05 07:22 PM   #70 
  - Peace Patriot you are always RIGHT ON!  Quakerfriend   Jan-30-05 08:25 PM   #79 
  - Brilliant post Peace Patriot - thanks for putting all the  SoCalDemGrrl   Jan-31-05 12:02 AM   #91 
  - I think the consensus is that Kerry won about 52% to 47%  Stevepol   Jan-30-05 05:15 PM   #51 
  - Yeah, Stevepol, that bothers me, too...  Peace Patriot   Jan-30-05 05:28 PM   #53 
  - BLOODHOUND TOOK BIG DOG OF THE YEAR! Best in Show!  lonestarnot   Jan-30-05 06:29 PM   #64 
  - 52% to 47% in Kerry's favor...weird that you should use those figures.  Raksha   Jan-31-05 01:48 AM   #98 
  - I agree -- he knows and he's pissed  Sydnie   Jan-30-05 06:34 PM   #66 
  - Lets get back to the subject of whether Kerry knows about the fraud  MadSal   Jan-30-05 07:08 PM   #68 
  - it's NOT VOTER FRAUD  Faye   Jan-30-05 07:10 PM   #69 
     - what's this game of words of yours accomplishing?  count_alucard   Jan-30-05 07:35 PM   #73 
        - LOL!  Faye   Jan-30-05 07:43 PM   #75 
        - Your constant  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jan-31-05 12:09 PM   #114 
        - Are you sure you belong here? Sounds like you've been reading too much..  SoCalDemGrrl   Jan-31-05 12:15 AM   #92 
           - Kerry turned out to be just another Swift Boat Liar, didn't he?  count_alucard   Jan-31-05 09:38 AM   #108 
           - You know what? It just doesn't do any good at all to use words like...  Peace Patriot   Jan-31-05 08:11 PM   #133 
              - this 'rational discussion'  count_alucard   Feb-01-05 06:41 AM   #137 
           - Kerry's a good man and I worked hard for him  electropop   Jan-31-05 09:47 AM   #109 
  - Faye, What do you see as the difference betw election and voter fraud?  MadSal   Jan-30-05 07:33 PM   #72 
  - thanks for the nice words.  Faye   Jan-30-05 07:41 PM   #74 
  - Kerry's an inkblot  IndyPriest   Jan-30-05 07:49 PM   #76 
  - And if it has  LittleClarkie   Jan-31-05 12:42 AM   #95 
     - Yes, we do see what we want  IndyPriest   Jan-31-05 09:56 AM   #110 
  - LOL!! Okay, I give, I give! You are right. It IS election fraud!  MadSal   Jan-30-05 07:52 PM   #77 
  - I didn't hear anything in that inteview that would cause me to think he  Amaryllis   Jan-30-05 09:29 PM   #83 
  - A poster reproduced them here few days ago. I can't find that thread now.  ROH   Jan-30-05 10:15 PM   #87 
  - The answer to "what do we DO about it" is being addressed here:  loudsue   Jan-31-05 01:03 AM   #96 
  - kick  Melissa G   Jan-31-05 01:18 AM   #97 
  - Great Info, Loud Sue...all new activist DU'ers should follow that link if  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 01:22 PM   #119 
  - Well if he knows or even strongly suspects that there was widespread fraud  Tiggeroshii   Jan-31-05 03:59 AM   #99 
  - not bashing, but if he knows, why does he keep saying he lost?  garybeck   Jan-31-05 04:24 AM   #100 
  - OK, he goes and says:  RaulVB   Jan-31-05 05:51 PM   #121 
  - Personally, I don't think anybody KNOWS there was widespread fraud........  Tiggeroshii   Jan-31-05 05:07 AM   #101 
  - In this case Electronics are different and so should Burdon of Proof  sacxtra   Jan-31-05 07:45 AM   #104 
  - there is a ton of evidence, it's not just exit polls  garybeck   Jan-31-05 11:26 AM   #112 
  - "Proof" of election fraud has never been required. The election was...  Peace Patriot   Feb-02-05 12:16 AM   #147 
  - Any idea when Kerry will break his silence and speak the truth?  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-31-05 07:44 AM   #103 
  - He would speak up, if,  RaulVB   Jan-31-05 05:53 PM   #122 
     - So he'll only speak up if Bush is in political trouble?  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-01-05 07:34 AM   #138 
  - Maybe all the Kerry bashers..  NationalEnquirer   Jan-31-05 10:04 AM   #111 
  - I agree  andyg   Feb-01-05 05:22 PM   #139 
  - His statement on Meet the Press let me know that he knows...  LeahD   Jan-31-05 12:36 PM   #117 
  - Thanks for pointing that out!  RaulVB   Jan-31-05 05:55 PM   #123 
  - Please visit right NOW to see what really happened...  ClintCooper2003   Feb-01-05 01:45 AM   #135 
  - Very Interesting -- Faux News Had it Right  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-01-05 08:50 PM   #143 
  - Well Why are Kerry and Clinton making a point of saying in  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-01-05 08:54 PM   #144 
     - I don't know what Kerry or Clinton think, and I don't think it...  Peace Patriot   Feb-02-05 12:48 AM   #148 

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