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| 57. TO SHED LIGHT ON HOW ELECTIONS ARE RUN IN UK AND AUSTRALIA |
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I posted on another board asking people from the UK and Australia how their elections are run, to give us some ideas. They all sounded pretty confident in their process. Here is my question and following are snips of the replies: Question: What do you vote on? Paper ballot, touchscreen, etc....and are your paper ballots marked with pen, or are they punch card ballots (ran through a machine to be tabulated)? If you use machines, are they publically funded? Do the producers of the machines contribute money to any of the candidates' campaigns?
Does your country use exit polls to keep track of the votes? If so, have they always been reliable, or have there been inaccuracies and problems with them?
Do you have confidence in your electoral system, and do you think most in your country also have confidence?UK:In the UK the elections are handled by local councils. We vote on paper. You register on a "register of electors" once a year and when any elections come up you get a polling card. It's marked with your polling station which is open from 7am to 9pm, same everywhere in the country. You go, hand in your card, get checked off against the register, get a ballot paper and mark it in ink with a cross next to who you are voting for, ballots are pre-printed with ALL candidates. You put your ballot in a sealed box. The boxes are collected at the end of the day by local council officials and get counted...they ALL get counted. Counts are monitored, polling stations are monitored. We don't use exit polls...we prefer to actually count all the votes. There is no corporate interference in any aspect of the voting. we don't actually vote for a Prime Minister, we vote for an MP in our particular constituency, and the party with the most MPs in Parliament wins - so in effect we vote for the party. The leader of the party becomes Prime Minister. Australia:We vote on paper ballots, with a pencil, marking square boxes with numbers. I'm uncertain whether they're read by computers or people, but i'd assume they're all hand counted. it would be an interesting machine that can read MY handwritten numbers, afterall. perhaps i'm wrong and there are computers that help... but i've never heard of any.
if there are machines, i feel sure they'd be publically owned.
there have never really been any problems with a federal election as far as i remember.
I have more confidence in my electoral system than i would in the american one if i lived there, but i still don't like it much as it is. still, it seems to work somewhat. I think most people think it works fairly well, i seldom hear complaints about it really. except from politically minded friends of mine. .
the system is similar to the british, in that you vote for local federal MP's, for them to take a seat in the house of representatives. I'm not exactly sure what majority a party needs to officially have won.
i've never heard of any exit polls being used anywhere.
if you are eligible to vote, and you don't, and you haven't written in to explain why and gain an exception, there are pretty heavy fines. This is in any election. Local council, state parliament, federal parliament...
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| -Voter reform wish list - What do you want changed? |
iconoclastNYC |
Jan-13-05 12:26 PM |
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Mandatory poll working |
seriousstan |
Jan-13-05 12:35 PM |
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No excuses? No exceptions? |
Warpy |
Jan-13-05 12:49 PM |
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With all the additional work everyone is asking for....mandatory poll work |
seriousstan |
Jan-13-05 12:52 PM |
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Think about it. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Jan-13-05 12:56 PM |
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Then HIRE MORE PEOPLE and PAY THEM |
Warpy |
Jan-13-05 12:57 PM |
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I say, if you want to bitch about the system, get off your ass |
seriousstan |
Jan-13-05 01:00 PM |
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This could be like jury duty. Just put everyone in a pool. |
bush_is_wacko |
Jan-13-05 05:51 PM |
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I don't know about that. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Jan-13-05 12:55 PM |
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great list |
marc_the_dem |
Jan-13-05 12:36 PM |
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Mandatory poll working |
seriousstan |
Jan-13-05 12:37 PM |
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thanks for this discussion |
marions ghost |
Jan-13-05 12:37 PM |
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NO provisional ballots. |
Carolab |
Jan-13-05 12:55 PM |
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Absolutely, all private voting info should be public! |
seriousstan |
Jan-13-05 01:08 PM |
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Secretary of State CANNOT be involved in Political Campaign |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-13-05 12:58 PM |
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I agree but it needs to go farther than that |
iconoclastNYC |
Jan-13-05 01:07 PM |
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2 dems, 2 republicans, 2 independents |
shraby |
Jan-13-05 01:18 PM |
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Numbered Paper Ballots |
Riding this Donkey |
Jan-13-05 01:14 PM |
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Pens, not pencils |
shraby |
Jan-13-05 01:20 PM |
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No calling the election until all votes are counted in every |
merh |
Jan-13-05 01:23 PM |
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I think you're on the right track, but need to get practical... |
skids |
Jan-13-05 01:33 PM |
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This is for those who think that a Touchscreen witha paper trial |
FogerRox |
Jan-13-05 02:20 PM |
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Agreed, but... |
skids |
Jan-13-05 02:48 PM |
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Iowa has a caucus, not a primary, |
Beth in VT |
Jan-13-05 02:20 PM |
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We really need to push instant runoff voting to |
Beth in VT |
Jan-13-05 02:22 PM |
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I must dissagree- IRV will give the 3rd party a leg up |
FogerRox |
Jan-13-05 02:58 PM |
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IRV has some down sides, to be sure, but it is the ranked voting |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-13-05 03:29 PM |
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I dont see Coalition as a solution--IRV by itself is no solution |
FogerRox |
Jan-13-05 04:44 PM |
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We've taken a lot of money out of the system here in Maine |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-13-05 04:48 PM |
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Yes, it will give rise to a more vibrant political culture. n/t |
Beth in VT |
Jan-13-05 05:26 PM |
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Isn't the point for the people to have the representation they want? |
Beth in VT |
Jan-13-05 05:25 PM |
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I doubt anyone in the Green Party would have a problem |
iconoclastNYC |
Jan-14-05 09:07 AM |
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Verified Voting (VVPB + random audits) is JOB #1! n/t |
Bill Bored |
Jan-13-05 03:05 PM |
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My list is |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-13-05 03:28 PM |
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i'd like to start with the campaigning bullcrap and the debates |
burn the bush |
Jan-13-05 04:26 PM |
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wish list |
MissWaverly |
Jan-13-05 04:39 PM |
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To meet the international standards set by the Carter center |
madison2000 |
Jan-13-05 04:53 PM |
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Carter Center: National standards? I see a danger in this! |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-13-05 05:30 PM |
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wow you read a lot into that |
madison2000 |
Jan-13-05 05:41 PM |
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OK, here's the problem. If we continue to have state controls |
bush_is_wacko |
Jan-13-05 06:38 PM |
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Is this what you are getting at? |
marions ghost |
Jan-13-05 08:57 PM |
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Yes, Yes, Yes! |
bush_is_wacko |
Jan-14-05 09:25 AM |
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am on your wave |
marions ghost |
Jan-14-05 01:19 PM |
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Sure, and welcome to DU! |
bush_is_wacko |
Jan-14-05 03:33 PM |
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Exit Polls as fraud check. Ban corporate media from elections. |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-13-05 05:03 PM |
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We need exit polls to expose fraud, but the pollsters should be |
4democracy |
Jan-13-05 05:19 PM |
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check the voting bill of rights |
garybeck |
Jan-13-05 05:05 PM |
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That is good but they are OK with electronic voting |
iconoclastNYC |
Jan-14-05 09:14 AM |
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Federal, enforceable, election standards and laws. |
bush_is_wacko |
Jan-13-05 05:40 PM |
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bush_is_wacko, please see my post #38 re National Standards and... |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-13-05 06:01 PM |
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Source code. $$$ in campaigns. Old fashioned values. |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-13-05 06:54 PM |
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2 Independent counts. |
hootinholler |
Jan-13-05 07:03 PM |
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100% ID check. |
NationalEnquirer |
Jan-13-05 07:04 PM |
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No contribution$ from voting machine makers to ANY candidate |
Ouabache |
Jan-13-05 07:06 PM |
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Re: the discussion of national standards... |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-13-05 07:46 PM |
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Election officials should not be allowed to be campaign managers! |
demo dutch |
Jan-13-05 08:08 PM |
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No more PAC's |
Donailin |
Jan-13-05 08:25 PM |
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Recall elections incase it is proven that the winner didn't win |
Democrat Dragon |
Jan-13-05 09:00 PM |
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Did you know? |
Blackbeard |
Jan-13-05 09:26 PM |
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why shouldn't there be a national standard? |
Faye |
Jan-13-05 09:27 PM |
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Because |
Blackbeard |
Jan-13-05 09:38 PM |
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kick! |
Democrat Dragon |
Jan-13-05 11:54 PM |
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TO SHED LIGHT ON HOW ELECTIONS ARE RUN IN UK AND AUSTRALIA |
Faye |
Jan-14-05 12:00 AM |
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Here is what is needed |
seriousstan |
Jan-14-05 11:00 AM |
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love it?! |
marions ghost |
Jan-14-05 01:25 PM |
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www.chuckherrin.com |
dandrhesse |
Jan-14-05 11:36 AM |
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Paper trail is not the end all be all of our problems and our reps think |
Riding this Donkey |
Jan-14-05 01:12 PM |
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