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57. TO SHED LIGHT ON HOW ELECTIONS ARE RUN IN UK AND AUSTRALIA
I posted on another board asking people from the UK and Australia how their elections are run, to give us some ideas. They all sounded pretty confident in their process. Here is my question and following are snips of the replies:

Question: What do you vote on? Paper ballot, touchscreen, etc....and are your paper ballots marked with pen, or are they punch card ballots (ran through a machine to be tabulated)? If you use machines, are they publically funded? Do the producers of the machines contribute money to any of the candidates' campaigns?

Does your country use exit polls to keep track of the votes? If so, have they always been reliable, or have there been inaccuracies and problems with them?

Do you have confidence in your electoral system, and do you think most in your country also have confidence?



UK:

In the UK the elections are handled by local councils. We vote on paper. You register on a "register of electors" once a year and when any elections come up you get a polling card. It's marked with your polling station which is open from 7am to 9pm, same everywhere in the country. You go, hand in your card, get checked off against the register, get a ballot paper and mark it in ink with a cross next to who you are voting for, ballots are pre-printed with ALL candidates. You put your ballot in a sealed box. The boxes are collected at the end of the day by local council officials and get counted...they ALL get counted. Counts are monitored, polling stations are monitored. We don't use exit polls...we prefer to actually count all the votes. There is no corporate interference in any aspect of the voting. we don't actually vote for a Prime Minister, we vote for an MP in our particular constituency, and the party with the most MPs in Parliament wins - so in effect we vote for the party. The leader of the party becomes Prime Minister.


Australia:

We vote on paper ballots, with a pencil, marking square boxes with numbers. I'm uncertain whether they're read by computers or people, but i'd assume they're all hand counted. it would be an interesting machine that can read MY handwritten numbers, afterall. perhaps i'm wrong and there are computers that help... but i've never heard of any.

if there are machines, i feel sure they'd be publically owned.

there have never really been any problems with a federal election as far as i remember.

I have more confidence in my electoral system than i would in the american one if i lived there, but i still don't like it much as it is. still, it seems to work somewhat. I think most people think it works fairly well, i seldom hear complaints about it really. except from politically minded friends of mine. .

the system is similar to the british, in that you vote for local federal MP's, for them to take a seat in the house of representatives. I'm not exactly sure what majority a party needs to officially have won.

i've never heard of any exit polls being used anywhere.

if you are eligible to vote, and you don't, and you haven't written in to explain why and gain an exception, there are pretty heavy fines. This is in any election. Local council, state parliament, federal parliament...
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  -Voter reform wish list - What do you want changed? iconoclastNYC  Jan-13-05 12:26 PM   #0 
  - Mandatory poll working  seriousstan   Jan-13-05 12:35 PM   #1 
  - No excuses? No exceptions?  Warpy   Jan-13-05 12:49 PM   #5 
  - With all the additional work everyone is asking for....mandatory poll work  seriousstan   Jan-13-05 12:52 PM   #6 
     - Think about it.  Pacifist Patriot   Jan-13-05 12:56 PM   #9 
     - Then HIRE MORE PEOPLE and PAY THEM  Warpy   Jan-13-05 12:57 PM   #10 
     - I say, if you want to bitch about the system, get off your ass  seriousstan   Jan-13-05 01:00 PM   #12 
     - This could be like jury duty. Just put everyone in a pool.  bush_is_wacko   Jan-13-05 05:51 PM   #41 
  - I don't know about that.  Pacifist Patriot   Jan-13-05 12:55 PM   #8 
  - great list  marc_the_dem   Jan-13-05 12:36 PM   #2 
  - Mandatory poll working  seriousstan   Jan-13-05 12:37 PM   #4 
  - thanks for this discussion  marions ghost   Jan-13-05 12:37 PM   #3 
  - NO provisional ballots.  Carolab   Jan-13-05 12:55 PM   #7 
  - Absolutely, all private voting info should be public!  seriousstan   Jan-13-05 01:08 PM   #14 
  - Secretary of State CANNOT be involved in Political Campaign  RevCheesehead   Jan-13-05 12:58 PM   #11 
  - I agree but it needs to go farther than that  iconoclastNYC   Jan-13-05 01:07 PM   #13 
     - 2 dems, 2 republicans, 2 independents  shraby   Jan-13-05 01:18 PM   #16 
  - Numbered Paper Ballots  Riding this Donkey   Jan-13-05 01:14 PM   #15 
  - Pens, not pencils  shraby   Jan-13-05 01:20 PM   #17 
  - No calling the election until all votes are counted in every  merh   Jan-13-05 01:23 PM   #18 
  - I think you're on the right track, but need to get practical...  skids   Jan-13-05 01:33 PM   #19 
  - This is for those who think that a Touchscreen witha paper trial  FogerRox   Jan-13-05 02:20 PM   #21 
     - Agreed, but...  skids   Jan-13-05 02:48 PM   #23 
  - Iowa has a caucus, not a primary,  Beth in VT   Jan-13-05 02:20 PM   #20 
  - We really need to push instant runoff voting to  Beth in VT   Jan-13-05 02:22 PM   #22 
  - I must dissagree- IRV will give the 3rd party a leg up  FogerRox   Jan-13-05 02:58 PM   #24 
     - IRV has some down sides, to be sure, but it is the ranked voting  GreenPartyVoter   Jan-13-05 03:29 PM   #27 
     - I dont see Coalition as a solution--IRV by itself is no solution  FogerRox   Jan-13-05 04:44 PM   #30 
     - We've taken a lot of money out of the system here in Maine  GreenPartyVoter   Jan-13-05 04:48 PM   #31 
     - Yes, it will give rise to a more vibrant political culture. n/t  Beth in VT   Jan-13-05 05:26 PM   #37 
     - Isn't the point for the people to have the representation they want?  Beth in VT   Jan-13-05 05:25 PM   #36 
     - I doubt anyone in the Green Party would have a problem  iconoclastNYC   Jan-14-05 09:07 AM   #58 
  - Verified Voting (VVPB + random audits) is JOB #1! n/t  Bill Bored   Jan-13-05 03:05 PM   #25 
  - My list is  GreenPartyVoter   Jan-13-05 03:28 PM   #26 
  - i'd like to start with the campaigning bullcrap and the debates  burn the bush   Jan-13-05 04:26 PM   #28 
  - wish list  MissWaverly   Jan-13-05 04:39 PM   #29 
  - To meet the international standards set by the Carter center  madison2000   Jan-13-05 04:53 PM   #32 
  - Carter Center: National standards? I see a danger in this!  Peace Patriot   Jan-13-05 05:30 PM   #38 
     - wow you read a lot into that  madison2000   Jan-13-05 05:41 PM   #40 
     - OK, here's the problem. If we continue to have state controls  bush_is_wacko   Jan-13-05 06:38 PM   #43 
        - Is this what you are getting at?  marions ghost   Jan-13-05 08:57 PM   #51 
           - Yes, Yes, Yes!  bush_is_wacko   Jan-14-05 09:25 AM   #60 
              - am on your wave  marions ghost   Jan-14-05 01:19 PM   #64 
                 - Sure, and welcome to DU!  bush_is_wacko   Jan-14-05 03:33 PM   #66 
  - Exit Polls as fraud check. Ban corporate media from elections.  Peace Patriot   Jan-13-05 05:03 PM   #33 
  - We need exit polls to expose fraud, but the pollsters should be  4democracy   Jan-13-05 05:19 PM   #35 
  - check the voting bill of rights  garybeck   Jan-13-05 05:05 PM   #34 
  - That is good but they are OK with electronic voting  iconoclastNYC   Jan-14-05 09:14 AM   #59 
  - Federal, enforceable, election standards and laws.  bush_is_wacko   Jan-13-05 05:40 PM   #39 
  - bush_is_wacko, please see my post #38 re National Standards and...  Peace Patriot   Jan-13-05 06:01 PM   #42 
  - Source code. $$$ in campaigns. Old fashioned values.  Peace Patriot   Jan-13-05 06:54 PM   #44 
  - 2 Independent counts.  hootinholler   Jan-13-05 07:03 PM   #45 
  - 100% ID check.  NationalEnquirer   Jan-13-05 07:04 PM   #46 
  - No contribution$ from voting machine makers to ANY candidate  Ouabache   Jan-13-05 07:06 PM   #47 
  - Re: the discussion of national standards...  Peace Patriot   Jan-13-05 07:46 PM   #48 
  - Election officials should not be allowed to be campaign managers!  demo dutch   Jan-13-05 08:08 PM   #49 
  - No more PAC's  Donailin   Jan-13-05 08:25 PM   #50 
  - Recall elections incase it is proven that the winner didn't win  Democrat Dragon   Jan-13-05 09:00 PM   #52 
  - Did you know?  Blackbeard   Jan-13-05 09:26 PM   #53 
  - why shouldn't there be a national standard?  Faye   Jan-13-05 09:27 PM   #54 
     - Because  Blackbeard   Jan-13-05 09:38 PM   #55 
  - kick!  Democrat Dragon   Jan-13-05 11:54 PM   #56 
  - TO SHED LIGHT ON HOW ELECTIONS ARE RUN IN UK AND AUSTRALIA  Faye   Jan-14-05 12:00 AM   #57 
  - Here is what is needed  seriousstan   Jan-14-05 11:00 AM   #61 
  - love it?!  marions ghost   Jan-14-05 01:25 PM   #65 
  - www.chuckherrin.com  dandrhesse   Jan-14-05 11:36 AM   #62 
  - Paper trail is not the end all be all of our problems and our reps think  Riding this Donkey   Jan-14-05 01:12 PM   #63 
 

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