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33. Exit Polls as fraud check. Ban corporate media from elections.
EXIT POLLS AS A CHECK ON FRAUD.

Exit Polls are used worldwide to verify elections. Why not here?

Our exit pollster (Mitofksy), hired by the TV networks, did what he called a demographic poll (how many rural black men voted for Bush? etc.). But Steven Freeman, who did one of the most important Exit Poll analyses, reports that Mitofsky said there is no reason his Exit Poll data can't be used to the verify election. (See Freeman: 2nd paper, below)

Still, what they did on Election Night is to CHANGE the Exit Poll data on everybody's TV screens, "adjusting" those figures (which showed a Kerry win) to fit the "official results" fed through AP to the networks from BushCon-controlled central electronic vote tabulators (which showed a Bush win late in the day).

Thus American voters were denied the information that there was a conflict between the Exit Polls and the "official result"--unlike in the Ukraine, where they had two separate, conflicting figures, and knew right away that something was wrong.

Then, Pugs used the easy, meaningless line that our Exit Polls were demographic to pooh-pooh the Exit Polls.

And none of this answers the question: With a new and highly controversial voting system, never before used in a national election, being tested for the first time (not to mention with BushCons owning the source code as secret, proprietary information), and with all the doubts about '00, WHY DIDN'T MITOFSKY, THE NETWORKS, THE DEMOCRATS or **SOMEBODY** commission a poll SPECIFICALLY to verify this election...???

...instead of all this bogus talk of demographics and polling samples!

Cripes--they don't have these problems in Germany or Canada or anywhere else (except in the former Stalinist Russia!).

Germany: Paper ballots placed into glass containers, sealed and guarded 24 hours a day until the count. All tallies, changes in tallies, exit polls and everything else is done right out in the open where everybody can see. (Freeman, 2nd paper.)

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BAN CORPORATE MEDIA from any election reporting during the election. Non-partisan Public TV only. No other reports (until it's all counted and over with).

Public TV: No reports of vote tallies or exit polls until all votes are counted.

One of the REASONS our system was so easy to mess with is the corporate news media's desire to have instant results.

Thus, they would be telling CA voters who were still casting votes that it's all over in FLA and the east coast. And other abuses.

This final abuse--their ALTERING the Exit Polls in an election that CRIED OUT for verification--is too much. In my opinion, it's the worse journalistic crime of the age, bar none--and I will never forgive them for it. (They claim it's always been done this way. B.S.! It SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE THIS WAY **THIS TIME** and they damn well know it!)

In fact, I would not only take these corporate war profiteers entirely out of the loop on elections, I would dismantle them completely and charge them with war crimes.

But that's another discussion.

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Dr. Steven Freeman's papers on the exit poll discrepancies:
(1st paper) http://www.truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf
(also at: http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/Expldiscrpv00oPt1... )
(2nd paper) http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm



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  - Exit Polls as fraud check. Ban corporate media from elections.  Peace Patriot   Jan-13-05 05:03 PM   #33 
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