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Thu Jan-13-05 09:55 PM
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| 106. Not polling stations, but electronic tabulators n/t |
| -Republican friend debunks Exit Polls - He says - What would you say? |
BamaBecky |
Jan-12-05 07:29 PM |
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tell him he knows little about statistics and less about exit polls |
papau |
Jan-12-05 07:33 PM |
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As TIA has finally admitted |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 07:38 PM |
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You are twisting what TIA has written |
DELUSIONAL |
Jan-12-05 07:42 PM |
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I asked him which of the theories on why raw exit polls |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 07:48 PM |
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The Stats do not lie - but liars try to explain away the stats |
papau |
Jan-12-05 07:52 PM |
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Repukes are good at twisting |
rdmccur |
Jan-12-05 09:39 PM |
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Yes, that is the way he responds.... |
euler |
Jan-12-05 11:53 PM |
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Skewed toward Dem can and should be interpreted as more GOP cheating |
papau |
Jan-12-05 07:47 PM |
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What do you mean it was not on the level of 6 million votes? |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 07:51 PM |
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The MOE of an exit poll allows for a million vote swing -your |
papau |
Jan-12-05 07:54 PM |
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Ok - you made me go and look up the numbers |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:12 PM |
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nope - I do not - but do share your links |
papau |
Jan-12-05 08:26 PM |
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here you go |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:33 PM |
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Sorry - but you have not posted a link to exit polls that were in error |
papau |
Jan-12-05 09:49 PM |
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My numbers came from |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 09:54 PM |
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Unwieghted raw data proves nothing - learn a bit of sampling theory |
papau |
Jan-12-05 10:06 PM |
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The data that TIA and all the other "exit polls are always accurate" |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 10:11 PM |
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Well we agree as to the value of "Unweighted raw data proves nothing" |
papau |
Jan-12-05 10:21 PM |
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First of all, we have no idea which data TIA is using - |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 10:43 PM |
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I agree :-) |
papau |
Jan-13-05 07:20 AM |
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Ooops!...the naysayers found a professional statistician... |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 08:06 PM |
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By sheerest coincidence-- |
eridani |
Jan-13-05 06:19 AM |
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When do you think exit polls were |
Lurker321 |
Jan-13-05 07:57 AM |
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Not in 1988 |
Mistwell |
Jan-13-05 04:24 PM |
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Not polling stations, but electronic tabulators n/t |
eridani |
Jan-13-05 09:55 PM |
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Are you serious? |
Mistwell |
Jan-13-05 11:16 PM |
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Massive and/or grand isn't necessary to achieve the goal |
eridani |
Jan-14-05 04:23 AM |
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Dude...it has to be massive |
Mistwell |
Jan-14-05 01:23 PM |
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There is nothing constructive in picking on TIA |
Heath.Hunnicutt |
Jan-13-05 04:43 PM |
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You twisted, I'll SHOUT. I admitted nothing. And you know it. |
TruthIsAll |
Jan-13-05 06:17 PM |
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Jan-14-05 01:46 PM |
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ask him why Ukraine's exit polls were believable but ours our not |
Skittles |
Jan-12-05 07:36 PM |
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Ukrainian polls |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 07:40 PM |
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"Washington Monthly" |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 07:48 PM |
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Where in the post that you responded to |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 07:52 PM |
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YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!! |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 07:55 PM |
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Accidentally gave the wrong link |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:03 PM |
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That speaks a lot about your "credentials"! |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 08:04 PM |
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riiiiiiiiight |
Skittles |
Jan-12-05 07:55 PM |
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Are you disputing the numbers I gave? |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:05 PM |
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not answering my question |
Skittles |
Jan-12-05 08:20 PM |
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just as you're not addressing my point |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:24 PM |
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LOL, whatever |
Skittles |
Jan-12-05 08:28 PM |
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From what I understand |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:38 PM |
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wanted to see if you were a one-trick pony |
Skittles |
Jan-12-05 08:40 PM |
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There were reports of quite a bit of fraud |
davidgmills |
Jan-14-05 05:56 PM |
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Can you give me the REAL |
Karenca |
Jan-12-05 08:30 PM |
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screenname should say it all |
Faye |
Jan-12-05 08:34 PM |
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Ha, ha...Faye! (n/t) |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 08:35 PM |
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Hi Faye! |
Karenca |
Jan-12-05 08:40 PM |
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The REAL reason: |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:36 PM |
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there's lots of evidence to show the election was stolen |
Skittles |
Jan-12-05 08:43 PM |
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there were a lot of problems with this election |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:47 PM |
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actually, there is plenty of hard evidence |
Skittles |
Jan-12-05 08:51 PM |
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That's so funny that you try to correct that.... |
Karenca |
Jan-12-05 08:43 PM |
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Ha, ha...Karen! (n/t) |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 08:46 PM |
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It may have been a "known fact" to you - |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 08:49 PM |
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You saw ours already ........... over and over again.... |
Karenca |
Jan-12-05 08:56 PM |
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Well, yes, I am kinda hoping that presentation of |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 09:04 PM |
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Talk about stupid assumptions.. |
davidgmills |
Jan-14-05 06:07 PM |
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maybe i need to copy & paste, but: you are wasting your time |
Faye |
Jan-12-05 08:58 PM |
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of course there is other evidence, |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 09:06 PM |
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a test for you |
zapped 1 |
Jan-15-05 03:49 PM |
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Re: Keep trying to correct misinformation about exit polls |
davidgmills |
Jan-16-05 08:52 AM |
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you have yet to post a link to the exit poll data you say was wrong |
papau |
Jan-12-05 09:54 PM |
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I did now - and do you expect that your posts will be answered |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 09:56 PM |
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Good point - and it is time for bed! :-) But the point as to exit poll |
papau |
Jan-12-05 10:08 PM |
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And here's the data from the 04 Presidential race |
Time for change |
Jan-14-05 04:35 PM |
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Senate resolution concerning Ukraine based in part on exit polls |
Danish Reporter |
Jan-13-05 12:09 AM |
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I will......thanks |
BamaBecky |
Jan-13-05 06:01 AM |
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whether the exit polls were wrong or right |
Faye |
Jan-12-05 07:47 PM |
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He said "this" about......"all that"........as Seinfeld would say |
BamaBecky |
Jan-13-05 06:13 AM |
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Two things: |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 07:47 PM |
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I don't have any Repuke friends either!...Ick!! ....nt |
Karenca |
Jan-12-05 08:22 PM |
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Exit polls are ok for the rest of the world and Ukraine, but our |
EVDebs |
Jan-12-05 08:10 PM |
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I am somewhat sure the discrepency lies here: |
meganmonkey |
Jan-12-05 08:11 PM |
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Correct |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 08:16 PM |
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Thanks for adding a conclusion to my babbling!!! |
meganmonkey |
Jan-12-05 08:18 PM |
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thanks.....very helpful |
BamaBecky |
Jan-12-05 09:00 PM |
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No prob! I hope it helps |
meganmonkey |
Jan-12-05 09:14 PM |
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Here are the state exit poll sample size..and much more |
TruthIsAll |
Jan-15-05 10:23 AM |
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What evidence is there that Bush won this election? |
nmoliver |
Jan-12-05 08:13 PM |
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Great post! |
RaulVB |
Jan-12-05 08:43 PM |
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thank you...very helpful |
BamaBecky |
Jan-12-05 09:02 PM |
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Many other points could be made about the exit polls as well. |
Stevepol |
Jan-12-05 09:06 PM |
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Let's see - |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 09:15 PM |
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I'm sorry, Freeman article page 7-8 counters you |
ccarter84 |
Jan-12-05 11:14 PM |
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Here are the links that show results and exit polls of June, 2004 |
Lurker321 |
Jan-12-05 11:48 PM |
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The European Parliament .... |
southwood |
Jan-13-05 02:59 AM |
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Yet Freeman uses the European Parliament |
Lurker321 |
Jan-13-05 07:22 AM |
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Well,.. |
southwood |
Jan-13-05 03:25 PM |
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Completely bogus argument about the German elections. |
thanatonautos |
Jan-14-05 06:08 AM |
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Sorry, that is incorrect |
Kellanved |
Jan-14-05 04:13 PM |
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Discrepancy |
southwood |
Jan-14-05 04:51 PM |
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depends on the institute |
Kellanved |
Jan-14-05 05:04 PM |
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your first link refers to pre-election polls, not exit polls! |
southwood |
Jan-14-05 05:24 PM |
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I've added a link with Exit poll data |
Kellanved |
Jan-14-05 05:30 PM |
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Thanks, just read thru your second link... |
southwood |
Jan-14-05 05:56 PM |
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Hi |
Kellanved |
Jan-14-05 06:02 PM |
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Freeman assumes... |
southwood |
Jan-14-05 06:25 PM |
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he is correct |
Kellanved |
Jan-14-05 06:28 PM |
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Yeah, baby-- you tell it. |
spooked911 |
Jan-12-05 09:30 PM |
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Jan-12-05 09:34 PM |
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Yes-- they worked when you had paper ballots you could count |
spooked911 |
Jan-12-05 09:37 PM |
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I think there is at least one... |
euler |
Jan-13-05 12:15 AM |
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disagree |
nmoliver |
Jan-13-05 07:17 AM |
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very clear, thanks! |
Rebecca |
Jan-13-05 07:44 AM |
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Freakin AH right dude--and Becky your post rocked too |
FogerRox |
Jan-13-05 05:07 PM |
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Take a direct, simple approach: |
smartvoter |
Jan-12-05 10:51 PM |
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Ask him to debunk the documented fraud that explains the poll results |
berniew1 |
Jan-12-05 10:52 PM |
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thank you....very helpful |
BamaBecky |
Jan-13-05 05:57 AM |
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I would simply ask him, then why did Bush support the Ukrainian revote |
johnaries |
Jan-12-05 11:21 PM |
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Then you can ask, why did the repubs make such a fuss |
rumpel |
Jan-12-05 11:23 PM |
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You should ask your Republican friend... |
anaxarchos |
Jan-13-05 12:34 AM |
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I will.......thanks |
BamaBecky |
Jan-13-05 06:00 AM |
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Excellent point, anaxarchos |
Der Blaue Engel |
Jan-13-05 04:00 PM |
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Make a reasonable argument, use logic, show examples. |
tngledwebb |
Jan-13-05 06:28 AM |
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Republican friend right on one point... |
flintdem |
Jan-13-05 04:32 PM |
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Wrong |
RaulVB |
Jan-13-05 04:48 PM |
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Only if the initial votes totals match the exit poll... |
flintdem |
Jan-13-05 05:31 PM |
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You are mis-using this study... |
anaxarchos |
Jan-13-05 06:13 PM |
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I'm not misusing it... |
flintdem |
Jan-13-05 08:07 PM |
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OK, on the off chance that you are sincere... |
anaxarchos |
Jan-13-05 10:58 PM |
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Let me be clearer |
flintdem |
Jan-14-05 08:45 AM |
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Let me get this straight |
Chi |
Jan-14-05 09:39 AM |
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Clarity is always good. |
anaxarchos |
Jan-14-05 02:20 PM |
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A couple points... |
flintdem |
Jan-15-05 01:10 PM |
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This is a reasonable outcome to our disagreement... |
anaxarchos |
Jan-15-05 02:02 PM |
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Ditto |
flintdem |
Jan-15-05 02:14 PM |
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the SSRC study... |
southwood |
Jan-13-05 06:17 PM |
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Uh, your quote doesn't support your contention |
electropop |
Jan-14-05 09:46 AM |
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How does he know that the sampling wasn't accurate? |
info being |
Jan-13-05 05:41 PM |
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Your friend is no different than the naysays we find here. |
TruthIsAll |
Jan-13-05 06:13 PM |
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You have such a good head on your shoulders! Thank You! eom |
BamaBecky |
Jan-13-05 08:34 PM |
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This focus on the "stolen" election is not healthy! |
I_Love_Oregon |
Jan-13-05 10:21 PM |
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Jan-14-05 06:18 AM |
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Yeah. We might win the rigged game next time. My money's up... |
Junkdrawer |
Jan-14-05 06:18 AM |
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That stuff you're seeing is sand. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Jan-14-05 09:05 AM |
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Did your vote get counted? |
Chi |
Jan-14-05 09:49 AM |
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Noone knows for sure whether the election was stolen. |
johan helge |
Jan-14-05 09:52 AM |
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The evidence IS very strong for a stolen election |
Time for change |
Jan-14-05 04:28 PM |
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a paper trail is needed, but... |
I_Love_Oregon |
Jan-14-05 10:05 PM |
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Kerry did NOT lose the popular vote |
Time for change |
Jan-15-05 09:50 AM |
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It's a stretch.. |
I_Love_Oregon |
Jan-15-05 11:03 AM |
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No Offense, but... |
Chi |
Jan-15-05 12:37 PM |
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a scoop worth scooping |
I_Love_Oregon |
Jan-15-05 12:59 PM |
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Wow |
Chi |
Jan-15-05 01:55 PM |
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I've done my research |
I_Love_Oregon |
Jan-15-05 05:53 PM |
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Have you read Conyers' report? |
Time for change |
Jan-15-05 07:15 PM |
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SNAP OUT OF IT! |
I_Love_Oregon |
Jan-16-05 12:06 AM |
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WE'RE NOT STEWING ABOUT IT |
Time for change |
Jan-16-05 08:03 AM |
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I think I responded to this the other day |
electropop |
Jan-14-05 09:47 AM |
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All of his reasons are pure crap |
Time for change |
Jan-14-05 04:24 PM |
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Your "friend" |
troubleinwinter |
Jan-14-05 04:39 PM |
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Exit Polls |
LA lady |
Jan-15-05 11:20 AM |
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I say they're lying about being told to lie |
Time for change |
Jan-16-05 10:33 AM |
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Tell them that Nostradamus has told us |
ottozen |
Jan-14-05 07:51 PM |
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Statistics have no precedent... |
super simian |
Jan-15-05 06:02 PM |
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Some points for your friend... |
Prag |
Jan-16-05 08:51 AM |
#157 |
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