| 127. What you outlined above could NOT be proven in a 2-hr debate. |
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I agree. I believe there is evidence of fraud, but it is, right now, circumstantial at best.
Did you really think that impassioned pleas by Democrats would have led the Republicans to scratch their heads and say, "golly - maybe we need to take a look at this. Let's stop and recount all the votes, fix the machines, and declare this election invalid." Of course not.
If all the Senate and House members voted their objection, the 2-hour debate and vote would have been THE END. The house members showed in their speeches that they are going to be blatantly partisan, no matter what was said.
No matter what was said, NOTHING was going to change the unofficial results of the election. And no moderate Republicans would have joined in - there is too much "reasonable doubt" - and it would have been their own political suicide.
Really big problems are never solved quickly. The mistake of HAVA was in believing that "we got it right." To expose the corruption that exists within the system will take time. But the Dems have already signalled that they are moving on shrub (note their letter to Bush yesterday).
This ain't over, by a long shot!!!
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| -How do we feel about Kerry. is there still love for the man? |
roenyc |
Jan-08-05 08:32 AM |
#0 |
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He did not "RUN AWAY" and I absolutely still love the man! |
molly |
Jan-08-05 08:36 AM |
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agreed n/t |
AZDemDist6 |
Jan-08-05 08:40 AM |
#2 |
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I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. Senator Kerry has not RUN away. |
pbartch |
Jan-08-05 01:52 PM |
#119 |
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And I also agree, you need to see the big picture . . . |
Klimmer |
Jan-08-05 04:21 PM |
#152 |
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Bottom line is he quite ironically was AWOL re: shining spotlight on spot- |
In Truth We Trust |
Jan-09-05 11:17 AM |
#200 |
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I'm finding it very dificult |
Skittles |
Jan-08-05 08:40 AM |
#3 |
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I agree |
dkofos |
Jan-08-05 10:09 AM |
#35 |
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What version would have made the news? |
SaveAmerica |
Jan-08-05 10:55 AM |
#52 |
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Yeah, and all of the publicity would have been 'Sore-Loser' John Kerry. |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 01:14 PM |
#105 |
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Thanks for this info! |
Withywindle |
Jan-08-05 04:29 PM |
#155 |
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Who cares what the Repuke/Media would call him? |
TruthIsAll |
Jan-09-05 08:19 AM |
#197 |
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I appreciate all the work you've done gathering evidence TIA |
bunny planet |
Jan-09-05 12:07 PM |
#201 |
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Actually John Kerry did submit his comments into the written record . . . |
Klimmer |
Jan-08-05 04:32 PM |
#156 |
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I Feel...Ambivalent |
iamjoy |
Jan-08-05 08:42 AM |
#4 |
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I don't care if he runs again or not. |
Angelique |
Jan-08-05 07:09 PM |
#183 |
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I want him to be the next president. |
The Godfather |
Jan-08-05 08:45 AM |
#5 |
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Oh yeah. |
whometense |
Jan-08-05 09:30 AM |
#20 |
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Dear Godfather: |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 10:19 AM |
#37 |
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John Kerry has not abandoned us. |
merh |
Jan-08-05 11:42 AM |
#66 |
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I don't understand this blindness about the evidence for fraud. |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 12:50 PM |
#93 |
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In a criminal case, the elements of the crime must be |
merh |
Jan-08-05 01:16 PM |
#106 |
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What you outlined above could NOT be proven in a 2-hr debate. |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-08-05 02:16 PM |
#127 |
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Entirely agree, well said. |
mahina |
Jan-08-05 01:20 PM |
#108 |
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These men are human... |
Mend |
Jan-08-05 08:47 AM |
#6 |
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nicely said:-) |
rodeodance |
Jan-08-05 08:48 AM |
#8 |
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yes, and nobody ever mentions the situation with Elizabeth Edwards |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 01:59 PM |
#121 |
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I Agree. Just read the latest article in Newsweek (1-10-05) . . . |
Klimmer |
Jan-09-05 02:15 PM |
#208 |
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There never was "love" from me, |
pnorman |
Jan-08-05 08:47 AM |
#7 |
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"it may be for the best"--pnorman |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 10:47 AM |
#50 |
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amen to you, those who blind themselves to reality are to live it again |
GetTheRightVote |
Jan-08-05 12:26 PM |
#83 |
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I think you hit my problem right on the head |
roenyc |
Jan-09-05 04:22 AM |
#186 |
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I think he did what he had to do as a politician |
Jersey Devil |
Jan-08-05 08:49 AM |
#9 |
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Yep, Kerry lost, or "lost," more decisively than Gore, so a Gore-style |
marcologico |
Jan-08-05 10:00 AM |
#28 |
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Gore did not lose. Kerry did not lose. Neither fought as they should have. |
TruthIsAll |
Jan-09-05 08:15 AM |
#196 |
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Yep |
BlueInRed |
Jan-09-05 12:31 PM |
#203 |
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Gore after 2000 |
BeFree |
Jan-08-05 08:50 AM |
#10 |
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Gore didn't stand and fight?!? |
marcologico |
Jan-08-05 11:05 AM |
#58 |
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Yes, you are right |
BeFree |
Jan-08-05 11:32 AM |
#65 |
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perhaps because he was out of a job had something to do with it. n/t |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-08-05 02:20 PM |
#128 |
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He fought it all the way to the Supreme Court, where else was he supposed |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 03:10 PM |
#141 |
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Thanks for the reminders |
BeFree |
Jan-08-05 06:10 PM |
#175 |
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Yes, I am wondering where Gore is right about now. |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 06:49 PM |
#181 |
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i saw Al Sharpton on Crossfire |
roenyc |
Jan-09-05 04:28 AM |
#187 |
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I liked him until he conceded |
The Flaming Red Head |
Jan-08-05 08:58 AM |
#11 |
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same here |
mimitabby |
Jan-08-05 10:08 AM |
#34 |
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Maybe they paid him off like Armstrong |
The Flaming Red Head |
Jan-08-05 10:34 AM |
#41 |
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I heard he needed extra $$ for Christmas ; ) |
SaveAmerica |
Jan-08-05 11:00 AM |
#54 |
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same here |
ooglymoogly |
Jan-08-05 10:43 AM |
#47 |
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I still wonder tho if he doesn't have... |
VAMom |
Jan-09-05 08:02 AM |
#195 |
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No love here |
mikehiggins |
Jan-08-05 09:05 AM |
#12 |
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Well said. |
greatauntoftriplets |
Jan-08-05 11:15 AM |
#59 |
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No love here. |
Senior citizen |
Jan-08-05 09:05 AM |
#13 |
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I agree |
dkofos |
Jan-08-05 10:22 AM |
#39 |
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The cons unfortunately have turned liberal into a 4 letter word |
roenyc |
Jan-09-05 04:36 AM |
#189 |
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Kerry |
michigander3 |
Jan-08-05 09:10 AM |
#14 |
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Maybe he did. How would we know? |
marcologico |
Jan-08-05 11:23 AM |
#62 |
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I believe Kerry lost when he failed to reply to the "swift boat" thing. |
meti57b |
Jan-08-05 09:11 AM |
#15 |
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meti57b: "I believe Kerry lost when..." Kerry didn't lose! |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 11:01 AM |
#55 |
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Kerry missed an opportunity |
Paul Dlugokencky |
Jan-08-05 11:18 AM |
#60 |
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I still haven't figured that one out. n/t |
marcologico |
Jan-08-05 12:42 PM |
#89 |
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So, not responding to the swiftboat attacks was just a brilliant |
meti57b |
Jan-08-05 12:56 PM |
#95 |
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You apparently never read the article that revealed that Kerry was furious |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 01:49 PM |
#117 |
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yes, I did read that article and I like to pretend I didn't read it. ... |
meti57b |
Jan-08-05 04:33 PM |
#157 |
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Humans make mistakes and have regrets unlike *. Seems to me Kerry bounced |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 04:38 PM |
#159 |
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Thank you for all the hard work you did on JK's campaign. It must have |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 04:51 PM |
#162 |
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He exposed W for the stammering retard boy he is in the debates. |
tasteblind |
Jan-08-05 09:13 AM |
#16 |
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I was pissed at him |
zalinda |
Jan-08-05 09:14 AM |
#17 |
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Great post, Zalinda |
SharonRB |
Jan-08-05 12:40 PM |
#86 |
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Why we should still believe in John Kerry |
ginnyinWI |
Jan-08-05 09:15 AM |
#18 |
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I agree with you... |
Bubblie |
Jan-08-05 10:56 AM |
#53 |
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Welcome to DU, Bubblie |
SharonRB |
Jan-08-05 12:42 PM |
#88 |
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Boo freakin hoo |
vinessa4freedom |
Jan-08-05 09:26 AM |
#19 |
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I still like Kerry |
Laurab |
Jan-08-05 09:49 AM |
#25 |
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thank you Laurab |
vinessa4freedom |
Jan-08-05 10:05 AM |
#32 |
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No, thank YOU |
Laurab |
Jan-08-05 10:51 AM |
#51 |
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but didn't kerry win the nomination by assuring us that . . . |
hijinx87 |
Jan-09-05 12:40 PM |
#204 |
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he trusted people to be intelligent enough |
vinessa4freedom |
Jan-09-05 01:27 PM |
#207 |
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KERRY???? sounds familiar? who is he???? n/t |
pick_a_dilly |
Jan-08-05 09:33 AM |
#21 |
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I loved you in "50 First Dates." You were the blond, right? |
LittleClarkie |
Jan-08-05 03:44 PM |
#147 |
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never loved him, still would be better than * |
Smirking_Chimp |
Jan-08-05 09:33 AM |
#22 |
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I was a Kerry suupporter until |
davidgmills |
Jan-08-05 09:37 AM |
#23 |
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Yup, he should have been on the ground in Ohio with the volunteers... |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 11:31 AM |
#64 |
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He was the tallest candidate. |
AngryAmish |
Jan-08-05 09:39 AM |
#24 |
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That's pretty much how I have come to feel |
katinmn |
Jan-08-05 10:13 AM |
#36 |
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But Kucinich may have proved to be the bigger man! |
Paul Dlugokencky |
Jan-08-05 01:25 PM |
#110 |
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~ I still love the man! ~ n/t |
mousie |
Jan-08-05 09:52 AM |
#26 |
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al and dean both say cant charge fraud without proof |
seabeyond |
Jan-08-05 09:55 AM |
#27 |
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I will always have great respect and admiration for John Kerry |
Straight Shooter |
Jan-08-05 10:01 AM |
#29 |
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I'd sit down with Senator Kerry and discuss it over a beer |
slackmaster |
Jan-08-05 10:02 AM |
#30 |
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Never was |
dkofos |
Jan-08-05 10:04 AM |
#31 |
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I think Kerry was caught between a rock and a hard place |
MellowOne |
Jan-08-05 10:07 AM |
#33 |
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I was proud of him after the debate too |
roenyc |
Jan-09-05 05:10 AM |
#190 |
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Thank you zalinda, ginnyinWI, and vinessa4freedom |
Sydnie |
Jan-08-05 10:20 AM |
#38 |
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he makes me proud already |
vinessa4freedom |
Jan-08-05 10:40 AM |
#43 |
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and thank you Sydnie |
madison2000 |
Jan-08-05 10:40 AM |
#44 |
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Thanks, Sydnie |
SharonRB |
Jan-08-05 12:47 PM |
#91 |
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Sydnie: From the inside of what? |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 01:29 PM |
#111 |
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We outsiders don't have access to the info that they do |
Sydnie |
Jan-08-05 02:16 PM |
#126 |
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"he was the biggest disappointment ever" |
shireen |
Jan-08-05 10:28 AM |
#40 |
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I never loved nor trusted him. I tried real hard to, and just |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jan-08-05 10:37 AM |
#42 |
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I disagree with his decision not to visibly contest the election |
Time for change |
Jan-08-05 10:40 AM |
#45 |
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Pity, most of all there's PITY |
spooked |
Jan-08-05 10:42 AM |
#46 |
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I've written him |
Time for change |
Jan-08-05 10:44 AM |
#48 |
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I totally respect this guy. This election was brutal. Al Gore didn't |
NVMojo |
Jan-08-05 10:44 AM |
#49 |
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I've crossed over to the 'Never Give Up' camp |
SaveAmerica |
Jan-08-05 11:03 AM |
#56 |
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paint a target on his back |
mopinko |
Jan-08-05 11:04 AM |
#57 |
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I still respect and support John Kerry. |
gordianot |
Jan-08-05 11:21 AM |
#61 |
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What if John Kerry would have been elected? |
KerryOn |
Jan-08-05 11:25 AM |
#63 |
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Don't you think it would be unpatriotic to put your career--... |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 11:58 AM |
#70 |
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I'm by NO means a Kerry-basher, but I agree with you about |
naryaquid |
Jan-08-05 12:32 PM |
#85 |
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Yes I agree that it would be unpatriotic |
KerryOn |
Jan-08-05 04:38 PM |
#158 |
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I am a Dean supporter and even though I voted for JK I was |
righteous1 |
Jan-08-05 11:42 AM |
#67 |
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Agree, but I will |
BlueInRed |
Jan-08-05 12:23 PM |
#81 |
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WTF? he just ran away? |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jan-08-05 11:51 AM |
#68 |
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That is priceless!!! Good post! n/t |
Sydnie |
Jan-08-05 11:53 AM |
#69 |
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Perfect n/t |
seito |
Jan-08-05 12:14 PM |
#77 |
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Wow! Now I Have To Go To The Library |
cryingshame |
Jan-08-05 12:18 PM |
#80 |
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Davis_X_Machina: Fair enough! |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 01:50 PM |
#118 |
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Thank you! |
Patsy Stone |
Jan-08-05 05:10 PM |
#168 |
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i am definately disappointed in him |
Faye |
Jan-08-05 12:00 PM |
#71 |
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I've not written him, but I've not written him off, either. |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-08-05 12:05 PM |
#72 |
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Alright,now you did it |
seito |
Jan-08-05 12:15 PM |
#78 |
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This one could use some floaty-hearts, too: |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-08-05 01:58 PM |
#120 |
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omg, you posted the pool pic. |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 01:07 PM |
#102 |
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Kerry is a pissant |
HollyC |
Jan-08-05 12:11 PM |
#73 |
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Personally I still (and always will) respect and admire this human |
Farmgirl |
Jan-08-05 12:12 PM |
#74 |
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I support John Kerry |
seito |
Jan-08-05 12:13 PM |
#75 |
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Seito, once again I agree with you totally |
Blue_In_AK |
Jan-08-05 12:45 PM |
#90 |
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I noticed he is meeting with MANY top officials overseas... |
fooj |
Jan-08-05 12:14 PM |
#76 |
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Kerry is a flip-flopping wanker. |
brainshrub |
Jan-08-05 12:16 PM |
#79 |
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Actually, I have heard some stories about the quality of his wanker, too. |
Vektor |
Jan-09-05 06:43 AM |
#194 |
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I can not stand the man, he is spineless dupe, never vote him again |
GetTheRightVote |
Jan-08-05 12:24 PM |
#82 |
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I still love kerry |
mirandapriestly |
Jan-08-05 12:31 PM |
#84 |
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I will always respect and admire John Kerry |
Blue_In_AK |
Jan-08-05 12:42 PM |
#87 |
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I totally agree with you Blue_In_AK |
SharonRB |
Jan-08-05 12:53 PM |
#94 |
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Exactly |
Blue_In_AK |
Jan-08-05 12:58 PM |
#96 |
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LOL - my sentiments exactly! |
SharonRB |
Jan-08-05 01:07 PM |
#103 |
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And I agree with you Blue... |
seito |
Jan-08-05 01:02 PM |
#99 |
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Oh, yeah, those guys... n/t |
Blue_In_AK |
Jan-08-05 01:09 PM |
#104 |
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I agree he needs to exit stage left now. |
drummer55 |
Jan-08-05 12:49 PM |
#92 |
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Oh, please, give it up. n/t |
Blue_In_AK |
Jan-08-05 01:00 PM |
#97 |
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and you got your information from some unbiased non-corporate progressive |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 01:05 PM |
#100 |
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no.... |
drummer55 |
Jan-08-05 01:24 PM |
#109 |
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I've read them, just not seeing them the same way you do. |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 01:32 PM |
#113 |
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Oh, bunny! |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-08-05 02:46 PM |
#134 |
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That's so funny. That is the title of one of my paintings, almost. |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 03:03 PM |
#137 |
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not sure how I was rude but to each their own. |
drummer55 |
Jan-08-05 03:41 PM |
#146 |
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Then you didn't know your candidate |
Sydnie |
Jan-08-05 01:05 PM |
#101 |
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Please explain |
drummer55 |
Jan-08-05 01:34 PM |
#114 |
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Exactly-Actions speak louder than words. n/t |
TheGoldenRule |
Jan-08-05 01:46 PM |
#116 |
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let me ask you one question drummer |
Sydnie |
Jan-08-05 02:01 PM |
#123 |
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thank you for your answer |
drummer55 |
Jan-08-05 03:34 PM |
#142 |
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Most of the country apparently didn't believe in the fraud |
LittleClarkie |
Jan-08-05 03:54 PM |
#149 |
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Kerry has always been damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't w/ |
bunny planet |
Jan-08-05 01:01 PM |
#98 |
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Damn straight, bunny planet! |
8_year_nightmare |
Jan-08-05 06:37 PM |
#179 |
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Vietnam, BCCI, Iran-Contra.... |
yurbud |
Jan-08-05 01:18 PM |
#107 |
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The love I had for Kerry is gone |
TheGoldenRule |
Jan-08-05 01:30 PM |
#112 |
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Still love him? Sure. But he ain't the only |
IndyPriest |
Jan-08-05 01:36 PM |
#115 |
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Goose circular firing squad... |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 02:13 PM |
#125 |
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All true. My only point is that we take the good where we |
IndyPriest |
Jan-08-05 03:04 PM |
#138 |
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NO. But I never "loved" him. I just thought he could win. |
MyPetRock |
Jan-08-05 02:00 PM |
#122 |
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The trouble with the Democrats (and don't tell me I can't say this... |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-08-05 02:32 PM |
#131 |
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I hear ya, and totally agree. |
MyPetRock |
Jan-08-05 04:27 PM |
#154 |
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KERRY SAT, BOXER STOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
HollyC |
Jan-08-05 02:09 PM |
#124 |
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no |
Faye |
Jan-08-05 03:05 PM |
#139 |
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Enough Kerrymandering |
HollyC |
Jan-08-05 04:49 PM |
#161 |
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pardon? |
Faye |
Jan-08-05 04:51 PM |
#163 |
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? |
HollyC |
Jan-08-05 04:55 PM |
#165 |
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k |
Faye |
Jan-08-05 05:04 PM |
#166 |
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lol |
seito |
Jan-08-05 06:39 PM |
#180 |
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Thank you, Faye |
Blue_In_AK |
Jan-09-05 12:45 PM |
#205 |
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Of course I "still" love Kerry! |
8_year_nightmare |
Jan-08-05 02:25 PM |
#129 |
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I still totally support him... |
Vektor |
Jan-08-05 02:29 PM |
#130 |
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Wasn't fond of him to start |
mmcghenn |
Jan-08-05 02:41 PM |
#132 |
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Still love the guy... |
kerstin |
Jan-08-05 02:44 PM |
#133 |
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I've grown to loathe him |
Lorien |
Jan-08-05 02:47 PM |
#135 |
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I think many people that loathe him now |
seito |
Jan-08-05 06:49 PM |
#182 |
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I think Kerry's using the best strategy given the circumstances |
snot |
Jan-08-05 03:01 PM |
#136 |
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KERRY NEEDS TO TAKE THEM DOWN |
Faye |
Jan-08-05 03:06 PM |
#140 |
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All the more reason not to make a target of himself Thursday. |
kerstin |
Jan-08-05 03:36 PM |
#143 |
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: Kerry will always be my President....and he won! |
Catamount |
Jan-08-05 03:37 PM |
#144 |
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Regarding recent U.S. presidencies -- |
Old Crusoe |
Jan-08-05 03:41 PM |
#145 |
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So much love it hurts |
LittleClarkie |
Jan-08-05 03:50 PM |
#148 |
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Thankfully |
seito |
Jan-08-05 03:55 PM |
#150 |
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Portrait of Kerry.... |
Catamount |
Jan-08-05 05:38 PM |
#171 |
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Here's the particulars |
LittleClarkie |
Jan-08-05 06:36 PM |
#178 |
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Thanks Little Clarkie! n/t |
Catamount |
Jan-08-05 07:34 PM |
#184 |
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No more love for him than I have for Mondale, Dukakis, et al |
tritsofme |
Jan-08-05 04:03 PM |
#151 |
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Having grown up in Boston, I know what Kerry is made of |
graywarrior |
Jan-08-05 04:26 PM |
#153 |
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I don't hate him. I do believe that almost all of our |
FLDem5 |
Jan-08-05 04:40 PM |
#160 |
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Big love, yup. |
Withywindle |
Jan-08-05 04:52 PM |
#164 |
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Understand i am scared to death |
roenyc |
Jan-09-05 06:02 AM |
#191 |
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I do understand.... |
Withywindle |
Jan-09-05 04:15 PM |
#209 |
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God bless, good luck, try to do some good on the Hill, but |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-08-05 05:07 PM |
#167 |
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that gives you four years to re-register |
marcologico |
Jan-08-05 05:12 PM |
#169 |
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Nah, but it gives me four years to get ranked voting. I don't mind |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-08-05 05:14 PM |
#170 |
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Harsh reality vs. idealism: would it have been nice if Kerry fought |
steve2470 |
Jan-08-05 05:41 PM |
#172 |
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I believe he IS fighting! n/t |
Catamount |
Jan-08-05 05:43 PM |
#173 |
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In his own wily political way, I 100% agree with you nt |
steve2470 |
Jan-08-05 05:45 PM |
#174 |
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Exactly!, It's nice to agree, isn't it? |
Catamount |
Jan-08-05 06:16 PM |
#176 |
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indeed, you are so smart lol nt |
steve2470 |
Jan-08-05 06:19 PM |
#177 |
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LOL, once again we agree! n/t |
Catamount |
Jan-08-05 07:57 PM |
#185 |
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all true except I don't think it would have gotten to the Supreme Court |
marcologico |
Jan-09-05 10:18 AM |
#199 |
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still hoping . . . . . |
joevoter |
Jan-09-05 04:33 AM |
#188 |
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thanks for all your thoughts |
roenyc |
Jan-09-05 06:20 AM |
#192 |
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I still like him a lot |
jsw_81 |
Jan-09-05 06:31 AM |
#193 |
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I love him when he is in Iraq standing up for the troops. |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-09-05 08:28 AM |
#198 |
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Yes and yes, I have written him. |
bush_is_wacko |
Jan-09-05 12:23 PM |
#202 |
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There is plenty of love |
impeachthescoundrel |
Jan-09-05 01:01 PM |
#206 |
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Kerry had 4 years to prepare to lead the Democratic Party. |
Senior citizen |
Jan-09-05 04:18 PM |
#210 |