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Sun Jan-02-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #56 |
| 78. Mitofsky May Have Started the Business |
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But that does not mean he is right.
His methods are only as good as the honesty of the last election. He assumes the last election was honest and because he was off in his projections he tries to correct for the "mistakes" he has made.
Freeman gives good reason to believe that exit polls are far more accurate in determining the intent of the voter than actual results.
For one thing, there is every incentive to lie cheat and steal an election because the stakes are so high. The goal is winning.
In polling, the goal is accuracy. If you are not accurate, you lose the next job.
So when a pollster is off in his projection, he assumes he is wrong, rather than assuming the election was flawed.
I think Mitofsky has been making the same mistake for years and just keeps repeating it. It can be proven that he is wrong in his assumptions.
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| -Simon: To Those Awaiting Prelim Analysis of Exit Polling.... |
understandinglife |
Jan-01-05 02:48 AM |
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In relation to the where is the missing data.... |
althecat |
Jan-01-05 03:01 AM |
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Wonder why? ;-) (n/t) |
understandinglife |
Jan-01-05 03:04 AM |
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Didn't they say they had a computer crash right before they were about |
Pirate Smile |
Jan-01-05 12:53 PM |
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Just Read about the "COMPUTER CRASH" - article from 11/4/04 |
Lauri |
Jan-01-05 09:43 PM |
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No one on DU likes this theory |
Bill Bored |
Jan-01-05 09:58 PM |
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Why would it be assumed that the data after the crash was real? |
Lauri |
Jan-01-05 11:25 PM |
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GOP base always votes, cant squeeze more blood from a turnip |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-01-05 11:38 PM |
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This argument is more compelling to me. |
davidgmills |
Jan-02-05 11:45 AM |
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History of Computer Crashes |
stirringstill |
Jan-02-05 12:25 AM |
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The "Computer Crash" story is very hard to believe |
nodictators |
Jan-02-05 11:43 AM |
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We were screwed. And a very happy New Year to you. |
missouri dem 2 |
Jan-01-05 03:09 AM |
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Excellent data- if Kerry or Hillary do not object 1/6, they are dead as to |
papau |
Jan-01-05 09:03 AM |
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I still think Hillary won't run |
Clark2008 |
Jan-01-05 10:02 AM |
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Thank you for sharing this email |
Bill of Rights |
Jan-01-05 09:28 AM |
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Have you sent this to Scoop in new zealand?? |
berniew1 |
Jan-01-05 10:56 AM |
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I haven't but I imagine Simon has shared it with all the .... |
understandinglife |
Jan-01-05 11:46 AM |
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Look up: he's right above you in post #1. |
bleever |
Jan-01-05 02:12 PM |
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Scoop-in-New-Zealand posted in the very first response above (n/t) |
IndyOp |
Jan-01-05 02:28 PM |
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Washington Post exit polls with 13,047 respondents: |
k8conant |
Jan-01-05 11:15 AM |
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Thank you once again |
Quakerfriend |
Jan-01-05 11:20 AM |
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Thank you once again |
Quakerfriend |
Jan-01-05 11:20 AM |
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Can there be a class action suit against Mitofsky |
liam97 |
Jan-01-05 11:26 AM |
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Mitofsky answers only to his clients... |
k8conant |
Jan-01-05 11:40 AM |
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Yes, but Mitosfsky is not a feudal lord |
liam97 |
Jan-01-05 11:49 AM |
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freedom of the press? |
mulethree |
Jan-01-05 12:59 PM |
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I'll readily admit that I'm no constitutional expert, but... |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-02-05 12:16 AM |
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R U alleging that the Re-uglicans are BLACKMAILING the press/MSM? |
The Judged |
Jan-02-05 01:10 AM |
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No, not at all. |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-02-05 01:34 AM |
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AP is said to have had direct access to the vote count. Rumor has it ... |
The Judged |
Jan-02-05 02:19 AM |
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Re: Potential Class action lawsuit |
safari |
Jan-01-05 11:57 PM |
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My take on hte subject from another thread |
davidgmills |
Jan-02-05 02:59 PM |
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You're welcome. The referenced screen shot... |
understandinglife |
Jan-01-05 11:45 AM |
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Thank you UL -- I hope some of this adds some perspective |
Time for change |
Jan-01-05 12:08 PM |
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"Are we to believe |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jan-01-05 12:41 PM |
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Thank you for posting this and.... |
understandinglife |
Jan-01-05 01:23 PM |
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Thank you so much for posting this! |
dzika |
Jan-01-05 01:32 PM |
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Tautology Is All They've Had Since 2001 |
corbett |
Jan-01-05 01:30 PM |
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Um I think the word you seek is sophistry not tautology N/T |
hootinholler |
Jan-01-05 02:22 PM |
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From the DU archives, some relevant posts from 2-3 Nov 2004: |
understandinglife |
Jan-01-05 02:07 PM |
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Wonderful links |
MelissaB |
Jan-01-05 02:11 PM |
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backstory? |
FreepFryer |
Jan-01-05 04:57 PM |
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kick |
scubed |
Jan-01-05 08:19 PM |
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Hi Jonathon and UL thought you guys and maybe TIA |
Melissa G |
Jan-01-05 08:53 PM |
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Regarding FL in 2000: Here are the references you request |
understandinglife |
Jan-01-05 09:24 PM |
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Thanks UL! I am going to email this to Freeman |
Melissa G |
Jan-01-05 09:38 PM |
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UL, is this the one published on 9/12/01 by the NYT? |
Bill Bored |
Jan-01-05 10:14 PM |
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I don't have answers readily available to your questions... |
understandinglife |
Jan-02-05 01:24 AM |
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Hi Understanding life ,TFC , Steven Freeman sent a thank you |
Melissa G |
Jan-03-05 11:21 PM |
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THEY NEVER COUNTED THE 110K OVERVOTES. GORE WON THEM 75K-35K |
TruthIsAll |
Jan-03-05 12:00 AM |
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I don't have a website address, but I do have books on the subject |
Time for change |
Jan-01-05 10:13 PM |
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Thanks Time for Change! n/t |
Melissa G |
Jan-01-05 11:53 PM |
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Let me know if you're interested in any of those references |
Time for change |
Jan-02-05 07:07 AM |
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I am so confused, can some one spell out to me what this means? |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-01-05 09:33 PM |
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Among other things, it shows that the final PUBLISHED exit polls |
IndyPriest |
Jan-01-05 09:50 PM |
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That's what I thought but wanted to be sure. So, in other words, it is |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-01-05 10:01 PM |
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Very good analogy! |
IndyPriest |
Jan-01-05 10:18 PM |
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I will try |
BeFree |
Jan-01-05 10:13 PM |
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This info conveniently disappeared in Mitofsky's computer malfunction |
Lauri |
Jan-01-05 10:20 PM |
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Sounds better than "My dog ate it" |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-01-05 11:25 PM |
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Not all Professionals Sell Out - There is Hope |
Lauri |
Jan-01-05 11:37 PM |
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You guys kick ass!!!! |
go west young man |
Jan-01-05 10:27 PM |
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Election night scenario...could timing be a smoking gun? |
1democracy |
Jan-02-05 12:16 AM |
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2 things |
anamandujano |
Jan-02-05 05:05 PM |
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Reply |
1democracy |
Jan-02-05 05:13 PM |
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edit--Okay, right here |
anamandujano |
Jan-02-05 05:26 PM |
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You don't get it |
Nederland |
Jan-01-05 10:51 PM |
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That''s why the Greens and Libertarians are in Federal Court trying |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-01-05 10:57 PM |
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Question - did I read somewhere that Blackwell |
sickinohio |
Jan-02-05 10:25 AM |
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Get this |
BeFree |
Jan-01-05 11:28 PM |
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Everything we need is "proprietary"--the softwear of Diebold machines |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-01-05 11:34 PM |
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Secrets all |
BeFree |
Jan-01-05 11:54 PM |
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What Congress Needs and What the Court Needs are not the same |
davidgmills |
Jan-02-05 11:38 AM |
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Nonsense |
Nederland |
Jan-02-05 06:34 PM |
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I'm sorry but that wouldn't be the testimony. |
davidgmills |
Jan-02-05 06:48 PM |
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That would not be the testimony> |
davidgmills |
Jan-02-05 06:58 PM |
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You are so wrong |
Nederland |
Jan-02-05 08:31 PM |
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More |
Nederland |
Jan-02-05 08:42 PM |
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You obviously have no clue how lawsuits work |
davidgmills |
Jan-02-05 10:06 PM |
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Challenge |
Nederland |
Jan-03-05 10:44 AM |
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You missed the whole point of the argument. |
davidgmills |
Jan-03-05 07:47 PM |
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Irrelevant |
Nederland |
Jan-03-05 09:01 PM |
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You do not understand the burden of proof |
davidgmills |
Jan-03-05 09:40 PM |
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Irrelevant |
Nederland |
Jan-04-05 10:18 PM |
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First Of All You Obviously Know Nothing About Court |
davidgmills |
Jan-05-05 02:00 AM |
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You still don't get it |
Nederland |
Jan-05-05 12:00 PM |
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Hold a sec. I don't think we know all that Conyers has found |
IndyPriest |
Jan-02-05 02:19 PM |
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It's a little involved, but Proof is Right There |
jwmealy |
Jan-03-05 09:18 PM |
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I can guess what Mitofsky has been promised... |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-01-05 10:56 PM |
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When the other side puts Mitofsky on the stand to testify... |
euler |
Jan-02-05 12:05 AM |
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Humor me as I think this through... timing a smoking gun? |
1democracy |
Jan-02-05 12:22 AM |
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Excellent post! |
Bill of Rights |
Jan-02-05 01:55 PM |
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You may find these DU archive links of interest |
understandinglife |
Jan-02-05 02:09 PM |
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Graphs of popular vote-- is there more info there? |
1democracy |
Jan-02-05 04:40 PM |
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OK, I think I understand your point - that manipulated poll data is not a |
RevCheesehead |
Jan-02-05 12:33 AM |
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If the polls were changed to match crime induced results, then .... |
The Judged |
Jan-02-05 01:18 AM |
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it's called COVERUP n/t |
anamandujano |
Jan-02-05 05:20 PM |
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Have you reviewed Mitofsky's work? |
nodictators |
Jan-02-05 12:37 PM |
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Mitofsky himself has said that exit polls protect against fraud. |
pointsoflight |
Jan-02-05 02:06 PM |
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Mitofsky May Have Started the Business |
davidgmills |
Jan-02-05 02:39 PM |
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As I said, I doesn't matter what your or I think about Mitofsky. |
euler |
Jan-03-05 12:15 AM |
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euler: a semi-technical question.... |
IndyPriest |
Jan-02-05 02:44 PM |
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Movieweb: Nov 4th, 2004 |
Patsy Stone |
Jan-02-05 01:33 AM |
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"Explanations" of Exit Poll Discrepancies |
ExpatriateTexan |
Jan-02-05 04:38 PM |
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Help for the statistically challenged? |
super simian |
Jan-02-05 04:59 PM |
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"Weighted" and "corrected." Good questions. |
IndyPriest |
Jan-02-05 06:54 PM |
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Yep! |
super simian |
Jan-02-05 09:09 PM |
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Perhaps I'm missing something.... |
formernaderite |
Jan-03-05 11:11 AM |
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Last kick for the night, and for the Knights who say "Nay!" |
bleever |
Jan-05-05 02:14 AM |
#107 |