berniew1
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Sat Dec-18-04 08:32 PM
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| Analysts say a pattern is developing regarding touchscreen results |
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One pattern that is developing based on the experience of voters in Florida, New Mexico, Ohio, and elsewhere(especially swing states) is the the machines appear to have been set with a default to Bush. Then if a voter successfully punched the ballot for another candidate, Bush was replaced by that candidate. But it appears that in many cases the voter did not successfully accomplish this and in some cases it was hard or impossible to get the other candidate to register. This was a major problem in Mahoning county in Ohio, and possibly Mercer, but also occurred in many counties and several states. They had to replace some of the machines in counties like Mahoning after repeated attempts by techs to "recalibrate" the machines after widespread reports of problems. This also happened in Florida and New Mexico. But this means that Bush would get not only the votes of those who didn't notice that the punched candidate didn't register but any intentional non votes or accidental non votes or unsuccessfully completed votes. Quite an advantage. As much as 2 to 4% in some areas and even more perhaps in some minority areas.
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Analysts say a pattern is developing regarding touchscreen results |
berniew1 |
Dec-18-04 08:32 PM |
#0 |

What does 2-4% matter? Oh yeah: everything. |
bleever |
Dec-18-04 08:34 PM |
#1 |
 
Hopefully therefore they do and correct them so we can not catch them |
GetTheRightVote |
Dec-18-04 08:35 PM |
#4 |

Richard Phillips detailed documentation confirmed this fraud in Ohio |
berniew1 |
Dec-20-04 08:01 PM |
#62 |

Not surprising. 1% here, 1% there, and all the manipulation |
SharonAnn |
Dec-18-04 08:34 PM |
#2 |

Truly sickening! Just sickening! |
TexasChick |
Dec-18-04 08:35 PM |
#3 |

I've only heard heard of one anecdotal case . . . |
pa28 |
Dec-18-04 08:35 PM |
#5 |
 
in Ohio it happened in Youngstown.... possibly |
KaliTracy |
Dec-18-04 10:48 PM |
#32 |

Do you have a link? Geez, somebody needs to see the default settings |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-18-04 08:36 PM |
#6 |
 
OMG, Pirate Smile. I think you just accidentally just made me sicker. |
TexasChick |
Dec-18-04 08:37 PM |
#8 |

Sorry. |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-18-04 08:38 PM |
#9 |

I think you may have lost me there, Pirate Smile. n/t |
TexasChick |
Dec-18-04 08:42 PM |
#12 |

Link? |
Laelth |
Dec-18-04 08:36 PM |
#7 |
 
LOL! I love your picture! It's derived from a saying of an interpretation |
TexasChick |
Dec-18-04 08:40 PM |
#10 |
  
Yes. It was a Japanese attempt at English, I think. |
Laelth |
Dec-18-04 08:46 PM |
#15 |
 
There have been several stories; one analyst on this is Richard Phillips |
berniew1 |
Dec-18-04 08:45 PM |
#14 |

If this is true, Bush didn't win by much. In fact, he lost by a landslide |
The Backlash Cometh |
Dec-18-04 08:40 PM |
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source? |
Mike Niendorff |
Dec-18-04 08:40 PM |
#11 |
 
Here's another source: link note the 20 to 30 machines Kerry >>Bush |
berniew1 |
Dec-18-04 08:49 PM |
#16 |

Here's one New Mex. thread; anyone know how to find the other one? |
berniew1 |
Dec-18-04 08:51 PM |
#18 |

It wasn't just the Presidential Race; U.S. Senate races also |
berniew1 |
Dec-18-04 09:02 PM |
#21 |

And the correlations in the Florida Senate race by machine type are... |
L. Coyote |
Dec-19-04 04:57 PM |
#51 |

I believe Bowles beat Burr in NC.... |
leftchick |
Dec-20-04 07:58 AM |
#60 |

I just have one question: |
MinneapolisMatt |
Dec-18-04 08:43 PM |
#13 |

We really need to get inside them |
RaulVB |
Dec-18-04 08:51 PM |
#17 |
 
And this is how likely?? |
buzzard |
Dec-18-04 08:59 PM |
#19 |
 
Who are we kidding? They've had 6 wks. & access to clean-up the 'fix.' |
zann725 |
Dec-19-04 02:44 AM |
#44 |

"DEFAULT TO BUSH" |
enough |
Dec-18-04 09:02 PM |
#20 |

This needs a source... |
EMunster |
Dec-18-04 09:03 PM |
#22 |

According to Clint Curtis' testimony... |
AtLiberty |
Dec-18-04 09:06 PM |
#23 |

am ..I... the analyst mentioned here? |
Hamoth |
Dec-18-04 09:09 PM |
#24 |
 
Not specifically; but I may have seen your thread also; noticed several |
berniew1 |
Dec-18-04 09:23 PM |
#25 |

Gosh, were'nt the exit polls off by 2 to 4 percent? We need to impound |
buddysmellgood |
Dec-18-04 09:31 PM |
#26 |

I'm new, so forgive me... |
Pierre de Fermat |
Dec-18-04 09:36 PM |
#27 |
 
Welcome, Pierre! |
BlueDog2u |
Dec-18-04 11:26 PM |
#34 |

Here's ONE of the sources reporting that NM machines |
Hamoth |
Dec-18-04 09:42 PM |
#28 |

Richard Phillips says he's doing a detailed analysis of this re: Ohio |
berniew1 |
Dec-18-04 09:56 PM |
#29 |
 
no kiddin!? You mean i was right!? Hot damn! |
Hamoth |
Dec-18-04 10:23 PM |
#30 |

Hamoth....this theory makes a lot of sense to me |
BlueDog2u |
Dec-18-04 11:24 PM |
#33 |

You know, I think that's about a wrap. Since about 11/5, we've |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-18-04 11:43 PM |
#37 |

Does anyone know what type of vote equipment was used in Fairfield County? |
berniew1 |
Dec-18-04 10:38 PM |
#31 |

I voted in NM |
rdmccur |
Dec-18-04 11:32 PM |
#35 |
 
Congressional races |
sharman |
Dec-19-04 02:39 AM |
#43 |

Of COURSE B* was the default. Mail this to Bob at Freepress.org? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-18-04 11:37 PM |
#36 |

There is strong evidence Kerry won New Mexico; see URL with |
berniew1 |
Dec-19-04 01:02 AM |
#38 |
 
Kick as support for evidence Kerry won New Mexico |
berniew1 |
Dec-19-04 01:32 AM |
#39 |

from RH Phillips; confirmation; he's working on more details |
berniew1 |
Dec-19-04 01:48 AM |
#40 |

The "pattern" |
november3rd |
Dec-19-04 01:54 AM |
#41 |

"de fault" is de bush |
Straight Shooter |
Dec-19-04 02:27 AM |
#42 |
 
New Mexico voter suppression and machine manipulation were flagrant |
berniew1 |
Dec-19-04 09:30 AM |
#45 |

Links to the 3 threads with supporting documentation on this fraud pattern |
berniew1 |
Dec-19-04 10:42 AM |
#46 |

Not Surprised! |
lonestarnot |
Dec-19-04 10:44 AM |
#47 |

Florida: Comparison President vs. Senate Races by Voting Machine Type |
L. Coyote |
Dec-19-04 03:32 PM |
#48 |

Nevada: Non-Vote comparison President vs. Senate races. |
L. Coyote |
Dec-19-04 03:41 PM |
#49 |

Summary of documentation on this thread-- URL |
berniew1 |
Dec-19-04 04:04 PM |
#50 |
 
Very helpful; thank you (n/t) |
understandinglife |
Dec-20-04 08:06 PM |
#63 |

Would this be a hardware or software problem? |
BushSpeak |
Dec-19-04 07:32 PM |
#52 |
 
There is difference in default to Bush and poorly calibrated |
berniew1 |
Dec-19-04 08:01 PM |
#56 |

I agree, it was a bit of both. |
BushSpeak |
Dec-20-04 07:47 AM |
#58 |

I agree, it was a bit of both. |
BushSpeak |
Dec-20-04 07:51 AM |
#59 |

DO NOT BE FOOLED BY PAPER TRAILS |
NVMojo |
Dec-19-04 07:40 PM |
#53 |
 
You're right, a paper trail won't do it alone. You have to have |
Stevepol |
Dec-20-04 09:14 PM |
#65 |
 
Of course, if you are going to make vote tabulation auditable-- |
eridani |
Dec-20-04 09:44 PM |
#66 |

3 million votes... this is where they came from... I'm sure of it. |
Niche |
Dec-19-04 07:41 PM |
#54 |

Scientists looking at vote differences between machine types |
flintdem |
Dec-19-04 07:57 PM |
#55 |
 
Likely not a useful study. You have to look at pattern observed and why. |
berniew1 |
Dec-19-04 08:05 PM |
#57 |

the machines appear to have been set with a default to Bush???? |
malatesta1137 |
Dec-20-04 07:59 AM |
#61 |

Very interesting |
adolfo |
Dec-20-04 08:16 PM |
#64 |

Another possibility besides 'defaults' |
eridani |
Dec-20-04 09:53 PM |
#67 |
 
Non-Voting Statistics. State Comparisons May Be Useful. |
L. Coyote |
Dec-21-04 02:03 AM |
#70 |

Then how could you have any (or so many) undervotes? n/t |
read the law first |
Dec-21-04 12:33 AM |
#68 |
 
There was a major systematic effort to create misvotes in minority areas |
berniew1 |
Dec-21-04 09:55 AM |
#72 |

FYI- that's exactly what happened in 2002 when I voted for Governor.. |
KaryninMiami |
Dec-21-04 01:31 AM |
#69 |

updated documentation on this pattern at links here |
berniew1 |
Dec-21-04 09:50 AM |
#71 |