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WithStamina Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 03:23 PM
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30. People won't buy this
There are plenty of explanations for this. Maybe certain voters were more likely to respond to the pollers. Maybe some people didn't tell the truth. Either way, Bush did win. All you conspericy therorists are making us look bad.
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  -THE PROBABILITY IS ZERO: THANK YOU, BILL GATES, FOR GIVING US EXCEL. TruthIsAll  Dec-04-04 01:07 PM   #0 
  - As a fellow mathametician,  StephanieMarie   Dec-04-04 01:09 PM   #1 
  - HERE IS A GRAPH OF THE DATA  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 03:24 PM   #31 
  - Actually  Scout1071   Dec-04-04 10:57 PM   #67 
  - OREGON HAD 100% PAPER BALLOTS; EXIT POLL WITHIN 0.80% OF THE VOTE  TruthIsAll   Dec-05-04 04:14 PM   #89 
  - Thanks. It's appreciated.  TruthIsAll   Dec-05-04 11:54 AM   #87 
  - Then I won't stop...  TruthIsAll   Dec-07-04 09:34 AM   #90 
  - And for bonus points,  kgfnally   Dec-04-04 01:11 PM   #2 
  - Simply Stated - It Is Mathematically Impossible For Bush To Have Won  mhr   Dec-04-04 01:15 PM   #4 
  - Heh- yeah. I'd say that's enough.  kgfnally   Dec-04-04 01:16 PM   #6 
  - Yay! Can we prove that in court? Suspicions confirmed, now  Chicago Democrat   Dec-04-04 01:16 PM   #7 
  - DNA and finger print evidence both depend on probabilities.  BrightKnight   Dec-04-04 09:31 PM   #65 
  - careful, now. it's statistically impossible for shrub to have won  unblock   Dec-04-04 01:27 PM   # 
  - Understand The Subtlety - The Probability That Systemic Problems  mhr   Dec-04-04 01:35 PM   #16 
  - It's one thing to say it. It's another to show it in black and white.  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 02:17 PM   #25 
  - That is not correct  mdhunter   Dec-04-04 03:38 PM   #35 
     - In Practical Terms That The Layman Can Understand  mhr   Dec-04-04 04:18 PM   #46 
     - I still don't know that to be true from these data  mdhunter   Dec-04-04 04:32 PM   #51 
     - No, I must disagree with your final, bold statement.  TruthIsAll   Dec-05-04 03:05 AM   #72 
  - Disregard the Excel and math functions stuff.  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 04:17 PM   #45 
     - It's impossible, but it happened  dargondogon   Dec-04-04 04:22 PM   #47 
        - We can't prove fraud, but independent investigators can. n/t  TruthIsAll   Dec-05-04 03:10 AM   #73 
  - May I post this on my site?  Atman   Dec-04-04 01:13 PM   #3 
  - Yes, of course. But wait 10 minutes.  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 01:17 PM   #8 
  - It won't until a bit later today anyway  Atman   Dec-04-04 01:27 PM   #12 
  - OK, IT NOW INCLUDES STATE EXIT POLLING AND VOTE  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 01:28 PM   #13 
  - I love Excel, but you lost me...  Chicago Democrat   Dec-04-04 01:15 PM   #5 
  - rephrase, please: thank you LOTUS, for giving us 1-2-3  unblock   Dec-04-04 01:22 PM   #9 
  - I don't know that that relates to Window$, though....  kgfnally   Dec-04-04 01:25 PM   #10 
  - You are absolutely correct. I started using Lotus back in 1983.  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 01:31 PM   #14 
  - Truth Be Known........the 1st PC spreadsheet application was developed by  Old and In the Way   Dec-04-04 01:44 PM   #17 
  - true, 1-2-3 wasn't invented out of whole cloth either  unblock   Dec-04-04 01:56 PM   #19 
  - Oh yes, I remember it well. But I never used it. My first: SUPERCALC  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 01:58 PM   #20 
  - This will make you laugh.......  googly   Dec-04-04 02:13 PM   #24 
     - My first machine was a TRS-80. FOUR K of RAM. Tiny Basic. Tiny Chess.  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 02:25 PM   #27 
  - Windows today is the Mac of yesterday.  spooky3   Dec-04-04 03:14 PM   #29 
  - Thanks SUN for OpenOffice!  mulethree   Dec-04-04 01:27 PM   #11 
  - Any spreadsheet will do. Quattro Pro, Lotus, Excel...  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 01:32 PM   #15 
     - Here's a headline for ya  Straight Shooter   Dec-04-04 01:52 PM   #18 
        - there ya go!  unblock   Dec-04-04 02:02 PM   #23 
        - I agree....  AntiFascist   Dec-04-04 03:35 PM   #34 
  - I'll send to international monitors, in case they care.  Ojai Person   Dec-04-04 01:59 PM   #21 
  - A $5 calculator will tell you: *'s chances, 1 divided by 0, equals  bleever   Dec-04-04 02:01 PM   #22 
  - I'm wondering about...  Peace Patriot   Dec-04-04 02:17 PM   #26 
  - What if you subtracted 2 states from the * anomalies?  DireStrike   Dec-04-04 03:00 PM   #28 
  - People won't buy this  WithStamina   Dec-04-04 03:23 PM   #30 
  - capitulating to another stolen election  noiretblu   Dec-04-04 03:27 PM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-04 03:30 PM   #33 
  - Excellent analysis!!!  pilgrimsoul   Dec-04-04 03:40 PM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-04 04:01 PM   #42 
  - I don't support Bush  WithStamina   Dec-04-04 04:30 PM   #50 
  - exit polls are used to test validity of actual vote....every where but US?  bobbieinok   Dec-04-04 08:17 PM   #59 
  - If there are plenty of explanations  Faun Otter   Dec-04-04 08:55 PM   #61 
  - pollsters underestimated growth in voter turnout in...  badc0der   Dec-05-04 05:23 AM   #86 
  - "People won't buy this"?  Kurovski   Dec-04-04 10:24 PM   #66 
  - Plenty of explanations: Hackers. Spoiled ballots.Diebold. Es&S.  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 11:32 PM   #69 
  - all those "maybe's" and ignoring facts make you look bad  rman   Dec-05-04 04:40 AM   #79 
  - "Maybe certain voters were more likely to respond to the pollers."  Zhade   Dec-05-04 04:45 AM   #81 
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  - that's "an"  noiretblu   Dec-04-04 03:53 PM   #39 
  - Said the guy with the dope leaf avatar...  Atman   Dec-04-04 03:57 PM   #40 
  - Forwarded/cross-posted as to spread the word....  understandinglife   Dec-04-04 03:50 PM   #38 
  - Mitofsky still has some explaining to do.  jkd   Dec-04-04 04:07 PM   #43 
     - Here's the request from Dems for Mitofsky's Data (.pdf)  Patsy Stone   Dec-04-04 11:24 PM   #68 
        - Thank you and...  understandinglife   Dec-05-04 12:40 AM   #70 
           - Here's hoping!  Patsy Stone   Dec-05-04 12:45 AM   #71 
  - My calculations do not square with yours  mdhunter   Dec-04-04 03:59 PM   #41 
  - Your function gives a probability of 3.22759E-28  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 04:33 PM   #52 
  - Put another way, there's a 100 percent chance of what?  dargondogon   Dec-04-04 04:13 PM   #44 
  - Almost. There is a 100% probability that the deviations in  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 04:25 PM   #48 
  - TIA - we can be sure it was not chance  Faun Otter   Dec-04-04 09:11 PM   #64 
     - Of course it's NOT chance, I just wanted to show it mathematically.  TruthIsAll   Dec-05-04 04:23 AM   #75 
  - Stats are quite accurate  libertybelle   Dec-04-04 04:41 PM   #54 
  - 110K x 31 states = 3.41 million mandate  SoCalDem   Dec-04-04 05:13 PM   #58 
  - MOE varies with sample size  jfern   Dec-04-04 04:28 PM   #49 
  - But JFERN, the 2% is the Exit Poll MOE.  TruthIsAll   Dec-04-04 04:39 PM   #53 
  - The BIG PROBLEM is this...  lessthanjake   Dec-04-04 04:43 PM   #55 
  - Where do you get those times?  Atman   Dec-04-04 04:53 PM   #56 
  - Those Are Some Mighty Big Assumptions About When People Vote  mhr   Dec-04-04 04:56 PM   #57 
  - Time period weighted sampling  Faun Otter   Dec-04-04 09:02 PM   #62 
  - Is the number of states  bemis12   Dec-04-04 08:20 PM   #60 
  - Access to Hack it, then Excel to calculate it...Nice Symmetry there :-)  earth2chuck   Dec-04-04 09:05 PM   #63 
  - TIA, I love your posts  Protect The Vote   Dec-05-04 04:04 AM   #74 
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                    - I see - because I have 21 posts  bigmustelid2   Dec-05-04 05:08 AM   #85 
     - I can't help you with raw data. I got my data from the various  TruthIsAll   Dec-05-04 04:32 AM   #77 
        - Thanks, TIA  Protect The Vote   Dec-05-04 03:55 PM   #88 
 

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