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acsmith Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:06 PM
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22. the point is that...
...the insurance companies are out to make a buck but a government run system also has to control costs. this has not happened in the NHS over the last 10 years. the government has thrown money at it and achieved improvements in waiting times for operations and increased measures of patient satisfaction but these gains are well below the governments own targets (and to be fair were starting from a very low base).

the NHS is free at the point of use and is great if you don't need serious treatment. otherwise you going to be on the end of a long waiting list. that is the reality.
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  -Cancer drugs fail to win NHS funding acsmith  Aug-26-09 03:30 PM   #0 
  - Gee. I wonder how many approved drugs or treatments are......  Bonhomme Richard   Aug-26-09 03:38 PM   #1 
  - I don't know...  acsmith   Aug-26-09 03:42 PM   #3 
  - there is a LOT of treatments and drugs that are refused here  Donnachaidh   Aug-26-09 03:44 PM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-09 03:48 PM   #10 
  - We who seemingly want a civil debate are fairly quick to debase this into name calling  digidigido   Aug-26-09 04:06 PM   #21 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-26-09 05:06 PM   #37 
  - the point is that...  acsmith   Aug-26-09 04:06 PM   #22 
  - That's odd - really.  enlightenment   Aug-26-09 04:24 PM   #28 
     - from last year but...  acsmith   Aug-26-09 04:54 PM   #35 
        - The strange thing is that when you wade through them as I did last week, they've improved  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-27-09 06:49 AM   #56 
  - That was clearly uncalled for!!  SkyDaddy7   Aug-26-09 06:31 PM   #50 
  - Every large health insurance company has the equivalent.  Gormy Cuss   Aug-26-09 04:00 PM   #17 
     - the citizens can not change the list  acsmith   Aug-26-09 04:14 PM   #24 
        - Apparently the Swiss are feeling the economic pinch if its citizens are taking pay to post on boards  Doremus   Aug-26-09 04:52 PM   #34 
        - CERN  acsmith   Aug-26-09 05:10 PM   #40 
        - I didn't think my original post was so controversial  acsmith   Aug-26-09 05:15 PM   #45 
           - I am sorry to see that a DU member is giving you  joeycola   Aug-26-09 05:39 PM   #47 
        - It's hard for citizens to change the list, true.  mwooldri   Aug-26-09 05:09 PM   #39 
        - Uh, didn't say they could change it, but if enough are unhappy with it, polits can change it.  Gormy Cuss   Aug-26-09 08:06 PM   #51 
  - Yes but being told to go crawl off into a hole and die has a much nicer personal touch coming from a  Wizard777   Aug-26-09 04:21 PM   #27 
  - "not yet evidence of dramatic results"  Barack_America   Aug-26-09 03:41 PM   #2 
  - The further outrage is, most drugs are NOT new, they are repatented for new disease  Gman2   Aug-26-09 04:21 PM   #26 
     - That is not the way it works...  rexcat   Aug-27-09 12:19 AM   #53 
  - From what I can see in this slim report, it was a *results based* decision.  pinto   Aug-26-09 03:43 PM   #4 
  - The NHS is Great At Being Evidence-Based  MannyGoldstein   Aug-26-09 03:52 PM   #14 
  - costly drugs with NO evidence of dramatic results  Donnachaidh   Aug-26-09 03:43 PM   #5 
  - I really don't see a problem here.  stopbush   Aug-26-09 03:43 PM   #6 
  - Exactly  dipsydoodle   Aug-26-09 05:11 PM   #42 
  - Good Lord! What do you imagine insurance companies do here?  Zen Democrat   Aug-26-09 03:44 PM   #7 
  - on your final point you are wrong  acsmith   Aug-26-09 03:51 PM   #13 
     - The EXACT same thing happens here with insurance companies  prolesunited   Aug-26-09 04:32 PM   #30 
     - You are talking pure bullshit.  Nihil   Aug-27-09 06:55 AM   #57 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-26-09 03:47 PM   #9 
  - FYI, the FT is --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-09 03:50 PM   #11 
  - actually  acsmith   Aug-26-09 03:57 PM   #15 
     - It is a conservative paper for the monied.  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-09 04:05 PM   #20 
        - but your point was  acsmith   Aug-26-09 04:08 PM   #23 
           - Nope, FT is a conservative paper whose READERS may be anti-NHS.  mwooldri   Aug-26-09 05:12 PM   #43 
  - More People Will Live More Years Because Of This Decision  MannyGoldstein   Aug-26-09 03:51 PM   #12 
  - Perhaps it's not as stark as you think it is  Warpy   Aug-26-09 03:57 PM   #16 
  - unless they cure they extend suffering  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-26-09 04:03 PM   #18 
  - Exactly, and the desperate search for a little more time  Warpy   Aug-26-09 05:40 PM   #48 
  - Of course they do, and that is why for instance, breast cancer  JeanGrey   Aug-27-09 07:14 AM   #59 
  - I didn't want to mention it before because I thought it was irrelevant  acsmith   Aug-26-09 04:19 PM   #25 
  - that has nothing to do with the system. That is because there is a shortage of organs.  SemiCharmedQuark   Aug-27-09 11:50 AM   #60 
  - I possibly can answer that. I have stage four cancer that  JeanGrey   Aug-27-09 07:13 AM   #58 
  - Our private insurers do the same. n/t  Cleita   Aug-26-09 04:04 PM   #19 
  - I am sure they do...  acsmith   Aug-26-09 04:24 PM   #29 
     - Based On What?  Mark D.   Aug-26-09 04:43 PM   #32 
     - Most of us don't want NHC like you have in Britain.  Cleita   Aug-26-09 05:10 PM   #41 
  - A Few Things  Mark D.   Aug-26-09 04:35 PM   #31 
  - IT is far better to hash this out among friends, than in the media.  Gman2   Aug-26-09 04:46 PM   #33 
  - .  acsmith   Aug-26-09 05:08 PM   #38 
     - Thanks  Mark D.   Aug-26-09 05:21 PM   #46 
        - don't get me wrong  acsmith   Aug-26-09 05:43 PM   #49 
  - bottom line: it wasn't beneficial so why pay money for it  tomm2thumbs   Aug-26-09 05:01 PM   #36 
  - Some of these drugs are as useful as those Bridges in Alaska...  mwooldri   Aug-26-09 05:13 PM   #44 
  - Oh, it would be "graphic" enough for me.  JeanGrey   Aug-26-09 08:57 PM   #52 
  - to be honest, I don't see what is wrong with restricting funding for  dugaresa   Aug-27-09 06:04 AM   #54 
  - So instead of admitting that "Deat Panels" don't exist, you're redefining what constitutes one?  Dutch   Aug-27-09 06:38 AM   #55 

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