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V. Kid Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:49 PM
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27. I don't think that's the point though...
Edited on Thu Nov-17-05 11:53 PM by V. Kid can only work with people so long as they're willing to work with you. Yes, the NDP wasn't able to push the Liberals further to the left, but they didn't offer them anything to do that with so what could the NDP have done, accepted a lame offer that really didn't do anything to protect the public health care system? It would have been better to have gotten something from the Liberals, but the NDP's position is weaker now that Desjarlais left, and that Chuck Cadman is dead and Martin has dithered in calling a by-election. The BQ/Con combination outnumbers the Libs/NDP anyways, and the Indps in the house will likely side with the BQ/Cons out of spite for their former parties. Jack Layton has less pull on Martin, so yes he has to set himself up to look better in the next campaign.

Besides which, why would the voters be happy with the Liberals next election? Because they had to vote in December or January? They don't pay attention to politics often anyways, so why would they all the sudden be put out when a campaign is held during those months. I think this is a tempest in a tea pot. Will the average person say to the Liberals, yes we still think your corrupt, yes you haven't really done anything on health care etc, yes your long in the tooth, but you did promise to have an election in April so yes will vote for you? I think people think all politicians are relativley corrupt, and won't care. I think far too many people who are a bit more intuinted to politics who are liberals are obsessed with the EVIL Conservatives (and don't get me wrong I wouldn't vote for them if I was paid too), to the point of thinking that if you even say something nice about one of them your accepting their agenda. But to think thats going to be a vote determining issue is wrong imo, people tune out alot of the name calling if it isn't a substntive fear. As far as Joe and Jane Canadian is concerned they're all relativley corrupt some more then others, and Paul Martin ain't no saint. In fact most of the polls show that Canadians by a majority think he and Jean Chretien are equally to blame for the sponsership scandal.
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  -Force an election over the winter months??? Chimpys_Last_Stand  Nov-13-05 10:09 PM   #0 
  - I Disagree  CHIMO   Nov-13-05 10:21 PM   #1 
  - What we DO KNOW is that Harper went on Fox TV and apologized to  glarius   Nov-13-05 10:41 PM   #2 
     - I Think  CHIMO   Nov-13-05 10:52 PM   #3 
     - Actually, I'm satisfied with how the Liberals are running things.  glarius   Nov-14-05 07:52 AM   #4 
        - I like Paul Martin. I'd take him as our President over Bush.  AX10   Nov-14-05 05:50 PM   #10 
           - gee, did we deserve to be cursed?  iverglas   Nov-14-05 06:15 PM   #11 
     - Yes, but...  IntravenousDemilo   Nov-22-05 10:38 PM   #33 
        - I don't know why you think I feel that way about the NDP  glarius   Nov-23-05 09:07 PM   #35 
  - Agree, there is simply no benefit to the NDP to cooperate  Spazito   Nov-14-05 09:34 AM   #5 
  - I disagree...  V. Kid   Nov-17-05 05:28 PM   #25 
     - The reason, imo, the NDP's numbers have gone up is precisely  Spazito   Nov-17-05 06:37 PM   #26 
        - I don't think that's the point though...  V. Kid   Nov-17-05 11:49 PM   #27 
           - Canadian voters, by and large, are centrists and pragmatists  Spazito   Nov-18-05 01:35 PM   #29 
              - Again your missing the point about political posturing and malaise...  V. Kid   Nov-18-05 07:24 PM   #30 
                 - I must admit I am totally lost as to what you are saying  Spazito   Nov-18-05 10:03 PM   #31 
                    - Yes, they're doing this for political gain...  V. Kid   Nov-19-05 06:03 AM   #32 
  - -15.. i wish :D  Logiola   Nov-14-05 09:42 AM   #6 
  - Frankly...  Bassic   Nov-14-05 01:14 PM   #7 
  - What would a ruling political party, what would a ruling government be...  Chimpys_Last_Stand   Nov-14-05 05:10 PM   #8 
     - True that corruption goes hand in hand with power  Bassic   Nov-15-05 06:43 AM   #14 
        - It's a sad reality isn't it...  Chimpys_Last_Stand   Nov-15-05 09:45 AM   #17 
           - Niether am I really  Bassic   Nov-15-05 09:54 AM   #18 
              - Don't forget to bring a clothes-pin for your nose!!  Chimpys_Last_Stand   Nov-15-05 09:56 AM   #19 
                 - Right, I'll remember  Bassic   Nov-15-05 10:48 AM   #20 
  - And May Paul Martin be elected to a majority government!  AX10   Nov-14-05 05:48 PM   #9 
  - oh well  iverglas   Nov-14-05 06:19 PM   #12 
  - 160 seats would be nice!  glarius   Nov-14-05 07:13 PM   #13 
  - Do you understand what you are REALLY saying?  Mother Jones   Nov-15-05 09:00 AM   #15 
  - The NDP will regret this.  Swede   Nov-15-05 09:41 AM   #16 
  - But I wonder: why shouldn't Layton want his cake and eat it too?  Lautremont   Nov-15-05 07:59 PM   #21 
  - The NDP is the "so called party of the Left"?  Telly Savalas   Nov-16-05 09:58 PM   #23 
  - Oh, I should have said this earlier...  V. Kid   Nov-17-05 11:55 PM   #28 
  - I'll be donating my 75 cents  HamiltonHabs32   Nov-16-05 07:41 AM   #22 
  - By the time people vote...  V. Kid   Nov-17-05 05:19 PM   #24 
  - Gamblers Take Note  CHIMO   Nov-23-05 08:06 PM   #34 

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